Women's role essential to Church, Pope says

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Do you find anything positive in being Catholic…or is it nothing more than a reason to bear a cross for public consumption?
 
frommi said:
Do you find anything positive in being Catholic…or is it nothing more than a reason to bear a cross for public consumption?
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I don’t think I’ve ever read a post by you that wasn’t criticizing another member of these forums.
 
Rand_Al_Thor said:
I don’t think I’ve ever read a post by you that wasn’t criticizing another member of these forums.
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The freeflow of ideas will sometimes be critical…

I’m only highly critical of the people who like to question my Catholicism…and those who offer a wholly pessimistic view of the church.
 
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Actually I gathered that Bones was quite happy with this talk given by the holy father - he was just worried that liberal Catholics and secularists will jump on this as some kind of indication that “the pope is going to allow the indication of women!” Something that will never happen of course, but something that some liberals will advocate again and again ad nauseum.

Good thread, Bones 🙂
 
frommi said:
The freeflow of ideas will sometimes be critical…

I’m only highly critical of the people who like to question my Catholicism…and those who offer a wholly pessimistic view of the church.
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He was being critical of the media, NOT of the Church (imo).
 
I think the posts in the comments section are interesting and might be what bones is getting at. As in – don’t let the pope speak too highly of women, because they might get uppity. I don’t get it. It’s unanimous among the popes – they have no authority to ordain women. Period. So, what is threatening about Pope John Paul and now Pope Benedict recoginizing that although not priestly, women did play a significant role in the church? Why do some men get angry and sarcastic and resent it if the pope mentions any positive contributions from women? I remember fireworks on this forum when JP ll made some similar comments.

Off topic: I’m assuming the men who made those comments are Catholic, it being a Catholic news site and all. They probably consider themselves good, faithful, religious men. Those types of comments do as much damage to the relationship between men and women as do the hateful statements of the “feminazis” ( I hate that term but I know a lot of men on this forum appreciate it). I read those comments and I wonder how many of the men in my parish and how many priests secretly feel just as disdainful of and disrespectful towards women – me, my sisters, mother, daughters – but just hide it behind smiles in person.
 
I can at least where the pope left himself open for mainstreamers to start pushing for female deacons, though, since he brought up Phoebe.

Won’t be a bad thing, since he made it clear it was not an ordained ministry Phoebe served as “deacon”, but how many female deacons do we have currently in the Catholic church?

If the answer is 0, then watch out because the feminist Catholics will have something to use in their call for at least opening the Deacon door to women…almost as a concession for not being allowed the priesthood.

But, I’m wagering the deaconing Phoebe did was not the same one our current Deacons do…but even so, the Pope will have some 'splaining to do about that…and why Phoebe’s was different than Ordinary Male Deacons.
 
Weren’t the deacons at that time more of an administrator, for lack of a better word? I thought I remembered reading that they were in charge of making sure the widows, orphans, ill, etc received assistance from the general collection.
 
Pax vobiscum!

A deaconess, which I am guessing was what Phoebe was, was actually not a deacon herself, but the wife of a deacon. They did have some special responsibilities because of that.

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Rand
 
A good portion of B16s ‘inner circle’ as it were is made up of women.

The key to this is not ordination (considering how anti-clerical some of the women who want to be ordained act…it doesn’t logically follow that they would want to be clerics). The key is just allowing for women’s voices to be heard a little more strongly in some of the church’s decision making.

For example, there is nothing that would prevent involving lay or religious women in the election of a pope…heck, since Cardinal isn’t a rank of holy orders, it’s possible they could named as such.
 
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