Wondering what you do when you just can't agree

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I LOVE these ideas! His 30th birthday is coming up and I did think about secretly raising the funds from his friends and family to sponsor the trip. Time to investigate further…😃
Oh Yes! 30 is a big milestone! You can milk that for all it is worth. Seriously. And it’s not like you are just wanting to blow the money on something meaningless. Seeing that special site will be a memory you will both hold forever.

Trying to think of a place that might close to tourists…Petra?
 
Pray about it.

See if you could maybe take a trip inside the country to a location that maybe similar to where you were going. See if you can cut the expenses of the trip to make it less costly. Go through all the details and find all the places where you can compromise. Be good spouses to each other and God will take care of the harder parts.

Ite in pace,
Joshua
 
who is the primary source of income for your household?

i think why is obvious.
I’m not trying to be snarky here–but, no, it’s not obvious. My husband and I make the budget and the financial decisions together. Just because one person makes more money doesn’t make his or her (name removed by moderator)ut more valuable than the other person’s. The finances affect the whole family.

p.s. we make about the same amount of money. Not that it’s any of your business :rolleyes: haha
 
Oh Yes! 30 is a big milestone! You can milk that for all it is worth. Seriously. And it’s not like you are just wanting to blow the money on something meaningless. Seeing that special site will be a memory you will both hold forever.

Trying to think of a place that might close to tourists…Petra?
I’m feeling good about this option. Thanks so much!

Machu Picchu 🙂 He’s from Peru–that’s partly why it’s so important to him. We went to visit his family in Peru last year but we didn’t get to go to Machu Picchu, and he’s never been.
 
With all due respect to where you’re coming from on this–it’s really not accurate in this case. I don’t know how you got to the idea that we were “thinking about getting out” because that is the farthest thing from either of our minds right now. He wants to go on the trip because it would be an important bonding experience for us. I’m resistant to the trip because I’m worried about our financial stability as parents and as a couple.

We are trying to resolve the issue as a couple and a team. It’s not a standoff. That’s the whole reason I came here to ask for advice. Because I love and respect my husband and I want to make sure I’m handling it the right way.
Not to worry; I wasn’t implying that you guys are thinking about getting out. I was talking about how this sort of dispute is where the Christian strengthens a marriage instead of weakening it. It was a general comment on how our society treats this sort of thing, not a specific comment on you.
 
Not to worry; I wasn’t implying that you guys are thinking about getting out. I was talking about how this sort of dispute is where the Christian strengthens a marriage instead of weakening it. It was a general comment on how our society treats this sort of thing, not a specific comment on you.
Gotcha. I agree with you 🙂
 
it may not necessarily make the (name removed by moderator)ut more valuable (more reasonable), but it would mean they should have more influence over the decision. if you were the breadwinner, and he was only contributing 30% of the household income, id say he needs to seriously cut down on the costs or not take the trip at all. but given that youre equal partners, he needs to take your concerns into consideration. at the same time, you want to keep each other happy, and it seems like its a limited opportunity–so a tougher decision. raising funds for a surprise sounds like a nice idea. good luck.
 
hazmat;9118872:
who is the primary
source of income for your household?

i think why is obvious.

I’m not trying to be snarky here–but, no, it’s not obvious. My husband and I make the budget and the financial decisions together. Just because one person makes more money doesn’t make his or her (name removed by moderator)ut more valuable than the other person’s. The finances affect the whole family.

p.s. we make about the same amount of money. Not that it’s any of your business :rolleyes: haha
I’m with Schieffelin on this one. I don’t care who brings in the most money. In fact, even if hubby made all the money he wouldn’t have the right to up and spend it on the trip.

Marriage is a partnership. All money earned in the marriage, by either spouse, is marital money. Neither spouse gets to dictate anything to the other.
 
ha! thatd be a convenient philosophy for someone who cant put their money where their mouth is.
 
ha! thatd be a convenient philosophy for someone who cant put their money where their mouth is.
You should probably abstain from posting in this thread if you will not offer support or advice.

Joshua
 
she asked what do you do in this case. i offered my perspective in response to that request in the op, and echoed the suggestion to raise funds for a surprise. get over yourself, josh.
 
I’m feeling good about this option. Thanks so much!

Machu Picchu 🙂 He’s from Peru–that’s partly why it’s so important to him. We went to visit his family in Peru last year but we didn’t get to go to Machu Picchu, and he’s never been.
Aha. Then I concur, it’s worth the effort. Doing it with kids would be very difficult.

🙂
 
In my personal experience of marriage, sometimes you have to let the other person be wrong and do what they want, even if it would mean a lot of trouble.

I’m not talking about moral issues or something really irresponsible like betting the farm on roulette.

I would like to also bring up the point (and I’m donning my flamesuit now) that the husband is the head of the household. It doesn’t give him the right to be a jerk or a tyrant, but he is in charge.

When a man understands what it means to be the head of the household, and he tries to understand what this entails, he doesn’t want to be a tyrant. He doesn’t want to oppress his wife. He only wants to make decisions that are good for the whole family according to the circumstances.

If you want your husband to fulfill the role of head of the family, then you have to let him be the head of the family. You have to go with what he says, even if you bite your tongue and think “oh my goodness this is so going to hurt!”

Deferring to one’s husband is not easy, but I think any half-decent man will appreciate his wife having his way even though they know that’s not what they wanted. He will be more likely to defer to his wife if his wife defers to him.

That’s been my experience.
 
I think you got some great ideas. What i would do is start a separate bank account specifically for the trip.

I guess the premise is that you would really enjoy this trip, too - IF YOU COULD AFFORD IT. If that is the case, then i would proceed like it is something valuable to both of you.

Every time you don’t go out to dinner - put what you think you would have spent in that account.
Every drink you don’t have.
If you can cancel your cable television, put in the $50/month or whatever it is.
Every sandwich you bring from home to forgo an outside lunch at work.
Every time you skip the coffee shop

If you can decide not to give gifts to each other for a year or two - put that saving into this account. For Christmas, you make a donation to your “once in a lifetime trip”.

While i wouldn’t specifically ask your family and friends to fund your trip, if they ask - what they could get your for his birthday or holidays, tell them about this account you are funding.

If one or both of you would be willing to work 10 hours a week at a parttime job - put that $100 away.

Obviously, you’d both be sacrificing for a year for a week or two vacation. It might make you want it - or you might decide it isn’t worth it. It might even make you more excited to realize that you want it that badly.

In any case, it would be something you would be doing together.
 
it may not necessarily make the (name removed by moderator)ut more valuable (more reasonable), but it would mean they should have more influence over the decision. if you were the breadwinner, and he was only contributing 30% of the household income, id say he needs to seriously cut down on the costs or not take the trip at all. but given that youre equal partners, he needs to take your concerns into consideration. at the same time, you want to keep each other happy, and it seems like its a limited opportunity–so a tougher decision. raising funds for a surprise sounds like a nice idea. good luck.
WHAT??? Both people in a marriage are equal partners regardless of who makes more, and reducing the amount of (name removed by moderator)ut someone should have in their marriage to the size of their paychecks is wrong.

Besides, one partner cannot do it all. Even if one makes less (or nothing at all) they do keep things running in other ways.
 
We’ve both calmly and respectfully discussed the situation again and again and just can’t seem to agree. We’re trying to come up with a compromise but I’m not sure there is one. What do you do in this case? Is this where I’m supposed to submit as his wife?
Yes. (I see you have been thinking about a compromise, after all, but if you couldn’t that is the answer.)
 
Yes. (I see you have been thinking about a compromise, after all, but if you couldn’t that is the answer.)
How about if you can’t agree on which religion to pursue. I have converted to Catholic. My wife did too but more recently she “reverted” to Baptist. Also we had a statue of “Our Lady of Guadelupe” which she just up and threw away.
 
In my personal experience of marriage, sometimes you have to let the other person be wrong and do what they want, even if it would mean a lot of trouble.

I’m not talking about moral issues or something really irresponsible like betting the farm on roulette.

I would like to also bring up the point (and I’m donning my flamesuit now) that the husband is the head of the household. It doesn’t give him the right to be a jerk or a tyrant, but he is in charge.

When a man understands what it means to be the head of the household, and he tries to understand what this entails, he doesn’t want to be a tyrant. He doesn’t want to oppress his wife. He only wants to make decisions that are good for the whole family according to the circumstances.

If you want your husband to fulfill the role of head of the family, then you have to let him be the head of the family. You have to go with what he says, even if you bite your tongue and think “oh my goodness this is so going to hurt!”

Deferring to one’s husband is not easy, but I think any half-decent man will appreciate his wife having his way even though they know that’s not what they wanted. He will be more likely to defer to his wife if his wife defers to him.

That’s been my experience.
Schieffelin;9118668:
Have you ever found yourself in a situation with your spouse where you simply cannot come to an agreement on how to handle something (in this case a financial decision). Now this is not a case of poor communication or fighting or anything like that. It’s also not really a “moral” question…just a question of different priorities, but about something important.

We’ve both calmly and respectfully discussed the situation again and again and just can’t seem to agree. We’re trying to come up with a compromise but I’m not sure there is one. What do you do in this case? Is this where I’m supposed to submit as his wife?
Yes. (I see you have been thinking about a compromise, after all, but if you couldn’t that is the answer.)
Huh. The Church seems to feel differently. Marriage is not a dictatorship of the husband; it’s a partnership. No offense, but it’s wrong to take one small passage of the Bible out of its context and elevate it over the rest. The two passages always cited for wives’ submission are Ephesians 5 and Collossians 3; but both of them make it absolutely clear that the husbands are to love their wives as themselves. Yes, Jesus is head of the Church; but Jesus gave His life for the Church. So if any husband wants to start strutting around saying “Me heap big male! Me make choice!” he needs to sacrifice his entire self – to the point of death – for the sake of the marriage first.

Let’s see what the Church teaches about the marriage partnership:
Each spouse has an equal duty and right to those things which belong to the partnership of conjugal life.
CIC, Canon 1135.
“The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life, is by its nature ordered toward the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring; this covenant between baptized persons has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament.”
Catechism of the Catholic Church ¶ 1601.
Holy Scripture affirms that man and woman were created for one another: “It is not good that the man should be alone.” The woman, “flesh of his flesh,” i.e., his counterpart, his equal, his nearest in all things, is given to him by God as a “helpmate”; she thus represents God from whom comes our help. “Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh.” The Lord himself shows that this signifies an unbreakable union of their two lives by recalling what the plan of the Creator had been “in the beginning”: “So they are no longer two, but one flesh.”
CCC ¶ 1605.
“By reason of their state in life and of their order, [Christian spouses] have their own special gifts in the People of God.” This grace proper to the sacrament of Matrimony is intended to perfect the couple’s love and to strengthen their indissoluble unity. By this grace they “help one another to attain holiness in their married life and in welcoming and educating their children.”
1642 Christ is the source of this grace. “Just as of old God encountered his people with a covenant of love and fidelity, so our Savior, the spouse of the Church, now encounters Christian spouses through the sacrament of Matrimony.” Christ dwells with them, gives them the strength to take up their crosses and so follow him, to rise again after they have fallen, to forgive one another, to bear one another’s burdens, to “be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ,” and to love one another with supernatural, tender, and fruitful love. In the joys of their love and family life he gives them here on earth a foretaste of the wedding feast of the Lamb:
How can I ever express the happiness of a marriage joined by the Church, strengthened by an offering, sealed by a blessing, announced by angels, and ratified by the Father? . . . How wonderful the bond between two believers, now one in hope, one in desire, one in discipline, one in the same service! They are both children of one Father and servants of the same Master, undivided in spirit and flesh, truly two in one flesh. Where the flesh is one, one also is the spirit
CCC ¶¶ 1641-42.

So, to put it baldly, no: if the wife thinks the trip is financially unwise right now (not a waste in general, but unwise at the moment) and the husband thinks it’s necessary right now, he doesn’t get to just wave his magic wand and choose for them. It has to be a joint decision.
 
I think you got some great ideas. What i would do is start a separate bank account specifically for the trip.

I guess the premise is that you would really enjoy this trip, too - IF YOU COULD AFFORD IT. If that is the case, then i would proceed like it is something valuable to both of you.

Every time you don’t go out to dinner - put what you think you would have spent in that account.
Every drink you don’t have.
If you can cancel your cable television, put in the $50/month or whatever it is.
Every sandwich you bring from home to forgo an outside lunch at work.
Every time you skip the coffee shop

If you can decide not to give gifts to each other for a year or two - put that saving into this account. For Christmas, you make a donation to your “once in a lifetime trip”.

While i wouldn’t specifically ask your family and friends to fund your trip, if they ask - what they could get your for his birthday or holidays, tell them about this account you are funding.

If one or both of you would be willing to work 10 hours a week at a parttime job - put that $100 away.

Obviously, you’d both be sacrificing for a year for a week or two vacation. It might make you want it - or you might decide it isn’t worth it. It might even make you more excited to realize that you want it that badly.

In any case, it would be something you would be doing together.
Good advice! Thank you!
 
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Schieffelin:
Is this where I’m supposed to submit as his wife?
Sounds like that would apply perfectly here, so yes.
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SaintNobody:
I would like to also bring up the point (and I’m donning my flamesuit now) that the husband is the head of the household. It doesn’t give him the right to be a jerk or a tyrant, but he is in charge.

When a man understands what it means to be the head of the household, and he tries to understand what this entails, he doesn’t want to be a tyrant. He doesn’t want to oppress his wife. He only wants to make decisions that are good for the whole family according to the circumstances.

If you want your husband to fulfill the role of head of the family, then you have to let him be the head of the family. You have to go with what he says, even if you bite your tongue and think “oh my goodness this is so going to hurt!”

Deferring to one’s husband is not easy, but I think any half-decent man will appreciate his wife having his way even though they know that’s not what they wanted. He will be more likely to defer to his wife if his wife defers to him.
Good post. Definitely should not have taken until the third page for this side to be advocated; and there ought to be no need for that “flamesuit”. You’re in good company, too. According to C.S. Lewis in Mere Christianity:
*In Christian marriage the man is said to be the ‘head’. Two questions obviously arise here. (1) Why should there be a head at all — why not equality? (2) Why should it be the man?

(1) The need for some head follows from the idea that marriage is permanent. Of course, as long as the husband and wife are agreed, no question of a head need arise; and we may hope that this will be the normal state of affairs in a Christian marriage. But when there is a real disagreement, what is to happen? Talk it over, of course; but I am assuming they have done that and still failed to reach agreement. What do they do next? They cannot decide by a majority vote, for in a council of two there can be no majority. Surely, only one or other of two things can happen: either they must separate and go their own ways or else one or other of them must have a casting vote. If marriage is permanent, one or other party must, in the last resort, have the power of deciding the family policy. You cannot have a permanent association without a constitution.

(2) If there must be a head, why the man? Well, firstly, is there any very serious wish that it should be the woman? As I have said, I am not married myself, but as far as I can see, even a woman who wants to be the head of her own house does not usually admire the same state of things when she finds it going on next door. She is much more likely to say ‘Poor Mr X! Why he allows that appalling woman to boss him about the way she does is more than I can imagine.’ I do not think she is even very flattered if anyone mentions the fact of her own ‘headship’. There must be something unnatural about the rule of wives over husbands, because the wives themselves are half ashamed of it and despise the husbands whom they rule. But there is also another reason; and here I speak quite frankly as a bachelor, because it is a reason you can see from outside even better than from inside. The relations of the family to the outer world — what might be called its foreign policy — must depend, in the last resort, upon the man, because he always ought to be, and usually is, much more just to the outsiders. A woman is primarily fighting for her own children and husband against the rest of the world. Naturally, almost, in a sense, rightly, their claims override, for her, all other claims. She is the special trustee of their interests. The function of the husband is to see that this natural preference of hers is not given its head. He has the last word in order to protect other people from the intense family patriotism of the wife. If anyone doubts this, let me ask a simple question. If your dog has bitten the child next door, or if your child has hurt the dog next door, which would you sooner have to deal with, the master of that house or the mistress? Or, if you are a married woman, let me ask you this question. Much as you admire your husband, would you not say that his chief failing is his tendency not to stick up for his rights and yours against the neighbours as vigorously as you would like? A bit of an Appeaser?*
 
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