Word of God

[Khalfan]

Yes, as the Holy Spirit reveals the truth to you.

Who God (Jesus (pbuh) as supposed) was praying the below to?

And He went a little beyond [them], and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.” -Mt 26:39

And who God (Jesus (pbuh) as supposed) was complaining the below to?

About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?” that is, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?” -Mt 27:46

 

[Khalfan]

I knew exactly what I was saying. You did not understand what I said. Please read this article on the “Trinity” so you may better understand what I said.
newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

You didn’t answer,

The ‘word’ was dependent of the source and God cannot be dependent. How can word be God then?

 

[davidv]

You didn’t answer,

The ‘word’ was dependent of the source and God cannot be dependent. How can word be God then?

Where does it say that the Word was “dependent”?

 

[davidv]

Who God (Jesus (pbuh) as supposed) was praying the below to?

And He went a little beyond [them], and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.” -Mt 26:39

God the Father.

And who God (Jesus (pbuh) as supposed) was complaining the below to?

About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?” that is, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?” -Mt 27:46

He was not complaining. He was teaching. He is refering to a Psalm the begins with a lament and ends in triumph.

 

[Khalfan]

God the Father.

Are you saying, God was praying God? Seems illogical.

He was not complaining. He was teaching. He is refering to a Psalm the begins with a lament and ends in triumph.

Have you lost the key of your mind in the dead sea?

Read it together.

And He went a little beyond [them], and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.” -Mt 26:39

About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?” that is, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?” -Mt 27:46

Don’t you see someone begged (in so agony that he were sweatting blood) to be saved from getting killed and as he was not saved, asking God disappointed, “Why have you forsaken me”? Does it seem like the words of a God?!!!

 

[Khalfan]

Where does it say that the Word was “dependent”?

I said that. Do you think the ‘Word’ got created itself? Do you think the ‘Word’ took form itself?

If it was created by some one else, it is dependent of the creator.

What ‘Word’ can be is, the expression of the source mind.

 

[davidv]

Are you saying, God was praying God? Seems illogical.

Not to me!!

Have you lost the key of your mind in the dead sea?

No. Last I checked it’s still between my ears.

Read it together.

And He went a little beyond [them], and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.” -Mt 26:39

About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?” that is, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?” -Mt 27:46

Don’t you see someone begged (in so agony that he were sweatting blood) to be saved from getting killed and as he was not saved, asking God disappointed, “Why have you forsaken me”? Does it seem like the words of a God?!!!

Please refer to Psalm 22
Verse 1 reads:

"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Why art thou so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?"
The Psalm ends in triumph in vs 28ff:

"For dominion belongs to the LORD, and he rules over the nations. 29] Yea, to him shall all the proud of the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and he who cannot keep himself alive.

30] Posterity shall serve him; men shall tell of the Lord to the coming generation, 31] and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, that he has wrought it."
Don’t you see this is a great proclamation of His trust in the Father?

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… God offered his Son? I heard, it was God on the cross. Wasn’t it?

You delving into the topic of the Trinity. God exists in the Father (aka The Creator), The Son (aka The Word), and The Holy Spirit (aka The Helper). You may need to start a new thread if you want to discuss the Trinity and it’s divine nature.

Why God offered his son for us? How is it beneficial for us? …

For the same reason why the Israelites held captive in Egypt had to sacrifice a lamb, as a sign to God, that they want to be spared from the death that would passover Egypt (hence, the annual Jewish Passover festival).

When we accept Jesus as the sacrificial lamb (who, with miraculous timing, was crucifed with the lambs during the Passover Festival of 33 AD), we too can be spared the death from our sins.

If it is for our sins, remember Jesus (pbhu) only said,

Eze 18:20 "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. …

But the lawmaker Himself can change the law. Jesus is God. Jesus is the lawmaker. He didn’t change it willy-nilly; He changed it by fulfilling the Old Covenant for us. He became man, a perfect man, born from the Virgin Mary, free from original sin, and died a death that He did not deserve.

The New Covenant is the new way of being saved. His resurrection is proof that there is life after death. I suppose He could have continued with the Old Covenant, but He showed His loving nature by bearing the Old Covenant Himself and giving us a New Convenant.

… He only said, no one can pay for our sins and we ourselves will die (payment) for it. He only said, we will be judged according to our actions.

Eze 18:30 “Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct,” declares the Lord GOD…

He only said, the only way to get forgiven of our sin and its payment is to repent and return to God.

Eze 18:30 …"Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you.

How can Jesus (pbuh) contradict himself?!!

It’s not a contradiction because it is a New Covenant. The Lawmaker has offered His perfect self to end the Old Covenant, and we now live in hope under the New Covenant.

I like your questions; very challenging. Keep reading the bible.