World War III is Prophesized

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rpp said:
Father Gruner of the “Fatima Crusade” claims that Russia was not properly consecrated. He is not alone in this. This is a common assertion by many “ultra-traditionalists” as well as others who seem to have limited trust in the Holy See.
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So you call John Paul II and Sister Lucia liars? I don’t trust Father Gruner anymore than I trust those people in Bayside, NY.
 
rpp said:
Father Gruner of the “Fatima Crusade” claims that Russia was not properly consecrated. He is not alone in this. This is a common assertion by many “ultra-traditionalists” as well as others who seem to have limited trust in the Holy See.
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Unfortunately that seems to be the case.

It’s a shame. It many times overshadows rich traditions to keep a devotion to Our Lady of Fatima alive. I happen to find a devotion to the rosary on 1st Saturdays quite a nice tradition. But mention Fatima and many times people take it in many different directions.

Plus, when one comtemplates all the misfortune that could happen (For example, Binary ‘deathstar’ has Earth in its sights ) yet doesn’t happen - God apparently looks out for us, more than we may even deserve?
 
CathFaith1 said:
Unfortunately that seems to be the case.

It’s a shame. It many times overshadows rich traditions to keep a devotion to Our Lady of Fatima alive. I happen to find a devotion to the rosary on 1st Saturdays quite a nice tradition. But mention Fatima and many times people take it in many different directions.

Plus, when one comtemplates all the misfortune that could happen (For example, Binary ‘deathstar’ has Earth in its sights ) yet doesn’t happen - God apparently looks out for us, more than we may even deserve?
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But why is it that we tell the liberals that they have to be obedient to Rome but the ultratraditionalists don’t. Father Gruner is in disobedience, period. Just because he is conservative or traditional or whatever does not excuse one from obedience ot superiors.
 
goofyjim said:
Father Gruner is in disobedience, period. Just because he is conservative or traditional or whatever does not excuse one from obedience of superiors.
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I agree Jim. As they say, There’s a ditch on both sides of the road…
 
goofyjim said:
So you call John Paul II and Sister Lucia liars? I don’t trust Father Gruner anymore than I trust those people in Bayside, NY.
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GoofyJim, where did you get that evil slander? I never even implied that! That is absolutely wrong and profoundly insulting. Utterly uncalled for and not supportable by anything I have EVER posted ANYWHERE! Why are you accusing me with such obvioius lies?
 
rpp said:
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GoofyJim, where did you get that evil slander? I never even implied that! That is absolutely wrong and profoundly insulting. Utterly uncalled for and not supportable by anything I have EVER posted ANYWHERE! Why are you accusing me with such obvioius lies?
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Sorry. I assumed that is what you were insinuating.
 
rpp said:
Father Gruner of the “Fatima Crusade” claims that Russia was not properly consecrated. He is not alone in this. This is a common assertion by many “ultra-traditionalists” as well as others who seem to have limited trust in the Holy See.
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And they get so nitpicky about how the consecration has to be performed. They’ll complain that consecrating “the world” to the IHM is disobeying Mary’s request to consecrate Russia.

Their nitpickiness in doing ONLY what Mary requested - no more and no less - is inconsistent though. For example, Mary asked that the consecration be done in union with all the bishops of the world. In explaining this, the Fatima Crusaders claim that the bishops must be Catholic. However, Mary never specified “Catholic” bishops. Gruner has a particular agenda that is ultra-traditionalist in nature. If Gruner followed the ultra-liberal mindset, he would complain that the consecration was not done in union with the Eastern Orthodox patriarchs, the Archbishop of Canterbury, and “bishops” of the other protestant denominations.

Please don’t get me wrong, traditional Catholicism is not a bad thing. But when traditional Catholicism borders on schismatic Catholicism…look out.
 
Righteousone said:
…It will be a war that will break out from East to West, all of a sudden.
There will be a massive invasion of Europe by Muslim, and there will be massive acts of terrorism by Muslim in Europe and in North America…; the connection has not been made in their minds… It is for Mohammedans the dirtiest word in human language: CRUSADE.
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It won’t be sudden if you have been watching. Regardless I don’t think a true religious war between Islam and Christianity will engulf the world within my lifetime though I know many do. I would not fight in such a war as an American or a Catholic. Where is it called for me to pick up a sword and protect God? I think He is quite capable and His Son gave us other commands to follow that would be better for us if we are able to.

Reality is there is no other nation on the planet who could move enough troops and equipment undetected (much less have the troops or equipment) to reach our shores to wage jihad or any agressive war. We can reach anywhere, anytime with overwhelming force if we need to. What is America afraid of?

Nineteen Mohammedans attacked us almost 7 years ago and we send hundreds of thousands of troops around the world because we fear to be attacked again, yet we (US) are either afraid to name the enemy or don’t know what the enemy is. We have lost more soldiers than civilians who were killed in teh original attack. The current monikers are misleading and inaccurate; Islamo-facism, radical Islamic elements, or muderous thugs. The only way those groups could hurt us is if we let them, and we are. Europes liberalism and Africa’s poverty is being transformed largely due to our stupidity because we assist the enemy.

Who is promoting democratic reforms throughout the world? I’m not saying it is a bad thing in itself but it is going to be used against us sooner than we think. More groups like Hamas and Hezbollah will be elected by their people in more places than the Middle East. What will happen within my lifetime I think is I will see maybe a Moslem dominated France or Norway. South America may soon see a rise of Islam and since we cannot discuss in any depth the religion of our own leaders in America more Moslems will be elected to our high offices.

What we did in Japan and Germany after WW2 we have not done in Iraq or since WW2. Will we fight those nations who democratically elect Sharia law for their people and if so when do we start with Saudi Arabia and other ME Gulf states?

Is it my Christian duty to go to the aid of other Christians being persecuted? If so when do we wage war on Egypt and Syria and the Sudan to stop genocide?

We will need to start a draft again to have enough soldiers. I served already but I have three nehpews currently serving, two of which are in both war theaters at this very moment. Of course we could make a deal with some of the 30,000,000+ non-citizens who have entered our country illegally in search of the freedoms and ecconomic opportunities in exchange in protecting our National interests in foreign countries.

I just heard the likely GOP nominee say he wants to reach out to the soul of Islam and the moderates who reject the extreemism of those who attacked us. It doesn’t really matter I suppose. The likley DNC nominee says the same thing whomever is selected.

No. I won’t fight a religious war or Crusade. I don’t fear Islam like that. We are not fighting it correctly as is. The Chinese invader will face the same weapon I aim at the Moslem invader but I cannot support an offensive war for any reason. If I am able I will still give aid around the world to those who need it, but I will hope my actions, my votes and my integrity will win the day if not in a election, or a battle on Earth, but in the life after death we all will encounter.

Please say a prayer for my nephews and all who serve honorably. Include the innocent children and other non-violent human beings regardless of their faith that are caught in this unfortunate war.
 
Charlie_Zeaiter said:
We are not immune to World War III.

But I don’t think you’ll find a responsible Catholic who believes that the third secret is about World War III. If I’m not mistaken, the third secret has already been revealed; It was about the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II, which - incidently - took place on the anniversary of the first Fatima appartition, May 13th 1981, by Mehmet Ali Hagca.
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I heard that both the girl who wrote the third secret down, and JPII agreed that the third secret was not fulfilled when he was shot. I don’t know of the validity of that, but as I understand it, the Pope was/is supposed to die… I also heard that (a) world war 3 had been averted.
 
The thing to remember folks is that even approved apparitions such as Fatima can only be given human faith not Catholic faith. Noone is required to give any consent to any of the prophecies. And I for one don’t. Otherwise we could start sitting around planning a timetable for the end of the world and Jesus told us only one thing about that.
 
Eschato said:
I heard that both the girl who wrote the third secret down, and JPII agreed that the third secret was not fulfilled when he was shot. I don’t know of the validity of that, but as I understand it, the Pope was/is supposed to die… I also heard that (a) world war 3 had been averted.
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Where did you hear it? Who did you hear it from? What evidence is there that both of them agreed that the third secret hadn’t been fulfilled?

More importantly, why would JP2 even bother mentioning his shooting in relation to the third secret if the third secret really related to something else entirely? Isn’t that more-than-kinda lying? Why not just keep silent if the Third Secret hadn’t been fulfilled?
 
Eschato said:
I heard that both the girl who wrote the third secret down, and JPII agreed that the third secret was not fulfilled when he was shot. I don’t know of the validity of that, but as I understand it, the Pope was/is supposed to die… I also heard that (a) world war 3 had been averted.
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JPII was convinced that Our Lady saved his life that day. He even kept the bullet and it is now set in the crown of a Fatima statue. You can just see the ole Protestants going crazy over this.
 
LilyM said:
Where did you hear it? Who did you hear it from? What evidence is there that both of them agreed that the third secret hadn’t been fulfilled?

More importantly, why would JP2 even bother mentioning his shooting in relation to the third secret if the third secret really related to something else entirely? Isn’t that more-than-kinda lying? Why not just keep silent if the Third Secret hadn’t been fulfilled?
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STATEMENT FROM THE FATIMA CENTER TO THE WORLD PRESS, FEBRUARY 14, 2005:

The true secret of Fatima has died with Sister Lucy. For 45 years, she had been forbidden by the Vatican to speak of the mysterious secret, and died under this imposition of silence.
The secret was supposed to be released in 1960, but pope John Paul XXIII decided to keep it hidden. On June 26. 2000, the Vatican’s Cardinal Ratzinger released a part of the third secret containing the vision of a “Bishop clothed in white”, who is killed by gunfire from a group of soldiers. In the same vision, many bishops, priests and lay people are also killed by these soldiers.
According to the Vatican interpretation, the third secret is nothing more than a prediction of the May 13, 1981 assasination attempt against pope John Paul II by the lone gunman, Mehmet Ali Agca.
Both Catholic and non-Catholic sources questioned the authenticity of this interpretation. They argue that “Our Blessed Mother wished the third secret to be released, yet everything indicates that the complete secret has yet to be revealed”.
 
Righteousone said:
We know from the third secret of Fatima, we know from the many apparitions of Our Lady, it is revealed that there will be a Third World War. It will be a war that will break out from East to West, all of a sudden…
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no, we do not know this from the messages related by the Fatima seers
 
I have read books about Fatima and other prophecy books & did not read that there definitely would be a WWIII, but that there could be and that through prayer & fasting, we can prevent such a thing… or at least lessen the damage or whatever.

Also, i have read Church history books & do not recall many of the battles (etc) you mention here. So i am a little confused about that part of your post.
 
Righteousone said:
STATEMENT FROM THE FATIMA CENTER TO THE WORLD PRESS, FEBRUARY 14, 2005:

The true secret of Fatima has died with Sister Lucy. For 45 years, she had been forbidden by the Vatican to speak of the mysterious secret, and died under this imposition of silence.
The secret was supposed to be released in 1960, but pope John Paul XXIII decided to keep it hidden. On June 26. 2000, the Vatican’s Cardinal Ratzinger released a part of the third secret containing the vision of a “Bishop clothed in white”, who is killed by gunfire from a group of soldiers. In the same vision, many bishops, priests and lay people are also killed by these soldiers.
According to the Vatican interpretation, the third secret is nothing more than a prediction of the May 13, 1981 assasination attempt against pope John Paul II by the lone gunman, Mehmet Ali Agca.
Both Catholic and non-Catholic sources questioned the authenticity of this interpretation. They argue that “Our Blessed Mother wished the third secret to be released, yet everything indicates that the complete secret has yet to be revealed”.
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C’mon, this is from Father Gruner’s own organisation. What else would you expect them to say? Where is the independent evidence that this ‘imposition of silence’ occurred anywhere other than Fr Gruner’s overactive imagination?

As for the criticism of the ‘press conference’ - who says it even was a press conference? As opposed to a simple release of a statement from the Vatican to the Press? I’m sure those have been done before without soliciting questions from the gathered press.

And I repeat, why would JP2 or our current Pope lie outright about the Third Secret by saying that it has been revealed in its entirety if it hasn’t? Why not just keep silence as they had done for so long already?

Or why not just say that only part of the Secret had been revealed if indeed it was only part? Why would the terminally ill JP2 put his soul in jeopardy in such a fashion?

Sounds like a whole load of nonsense.
 
LilyM said:
C’mon, this is from Father Gruner’s own organisation. What else would you expect them to say? As for the criticism of the ‘press conference’ - who says it was a ‘press conference’ rather than a simple release of a statement from the Vatican to the Press? I’m sure those have been done before without soliciting questions from the gathered press.

And I repeat, why would JP2 or our current Pope lie outright about the Third Secret by saying that it has been revealed in its entirety if it hasn’t? Why not just keep silence as they had done for so long already?

Or why not just say that only part of the Secret had been revealed if indeed it was only part? Why would the terminally ill JP2 put his soul in jeopardy in such a fashion? Sounds like a whole load of nonsense.
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Ms. Lily, as a Catholic, you don’t believe in anything do you…🤷
 
distracted said:
I have read books about Fatima and other prophecy books & did not read that there definitely would be a WWIII.
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Same here.

One thing for certain, after reading Sr Lucia’s book, “Calls from the Message of Fatima” I noted to my wife that Lúcia Santos had a great impact on my conscience. I ended up overcoming a few selfish tendencies by recognizing them after reading the book. Very humble and holy woman.
 
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