World's Toughest Catholic Quiz

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RyanL:
Would you bet your soul on that?
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Were I her, having specifically written guidance from the ordinary bishop with pastoral authority for my diocese in hand, sure.
 
Promotor Fidei:
She wasn’t paralyzed or mentally incapacitated. There are plenty of instances where God’s laws require continence, but this wasn’t one of them.
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Why not? Earlier you suggested that this was not a situation requiring heroic virtue. Why wouldn’t this be one of them? Because we have contraception? What about the risk of contraceptive failure? I suppose abortion would be justified in that case?

I know a couple in a similar position, where the wife had irregular cycles to boot. They did not seek priestly counsel: they just accepted continence as an expression of their love. They celebrated their 40th anniversary last month, and are the happiest, most loving couple I know. The call to heroic virtue sometimes comes to us in very ordinary ways.
 
Promotor Fidei:
Were I her, having specifically written guidance from the ordinary bishop with pastoral authority for my diocese in hand, sure.
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You would bet your eternal salvation on it because you had a letter from someone with “patoral authority” who is acting like he has doctrinal authority?

It seems, too, that by claiming their marriage wouldn’t have survived, you are forgetting that God does not allow us to face moral struggles for which he does not give appropriate graces to overcome. That, or you have a shocking lack of respect for your friend and her husband’s ability to rise above the challenge laid before them.

But let’s say you are right, the bishop or the priest has the ability to overrule the doctrinal teaching authority of Pope. This means that he was not guided from error on contraceptive teachings. Which means that he isn’t infallible. Which means all the church’s teachings are now up for question. Which means that the church’s infallible teaching that, in the early centuries, the books of the Bible are inspired and correctly collected is up for grabs. Which means we can’t necessarily trust Scripture. Which means that what we know about Christ is up for grabs. Which means that what we know about life after death is possibly spurious … Sorry, that’s just too big of a snowball for me. I’m going to trust the teachings of the church rather than the subjective opinions of its fallible lower ranks and my own personal preference. If my wife’s life is in danger. I’ll go without for her sake. Her health and our spiritual well-being are too important.
 
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mercygate:
Why not? Earlier you suggested that this was not a situation requiring heroic virtue. Why wouldn’t this be one of them? Because we have contraception? What about the risk of contraceptive failure?.
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That risk is exceedingly small with tubal ligation.
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mercygate:
I suppose abortion would be justified in that case?
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No. My sister took enormous risk each time she got pregnant and never even considered abortion. She spent months in ICU each time.
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mercygate:
I know a couple in a similar position, where the wife had irregular cycles to boot. They did not seek priestly counsel: they just accepted continence as an expression of their love. They celebrated their 40th anniversary last month, and are the happiest, most loving couple I know. The call to heroic virtue sometimes comes to us in very ordinary ways.
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Glad to hear it! My sister sought guidance from her bishop. Was she wrong to do so?

Diocesan bishops are said to “exercise their own authority for the good of their own faithful, and indeed of the whole Church” (LC 22). “This power, which they personally exercise in Christ’s name, is proper, ordinary, and immediate” (LG 27)
 
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awfulthings9:
It seems, too, that by claiming their marriage wouldn’t have survived, you are forgetting that God does not allow us to face moral struggles for which he does not give appropriate graces to overcome.
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Actually, saying the marriage would not have survived says the marriage, as we understand the concept, did not exist.
 
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awfulthings9:
You would bet your eternal salvation on it because you had a letter from someone with “patoral authority” who is acting like he has doctrinal authority?
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I’m not a theologian. I don’t know if the bishop was wrong.
It seems, too, that by claiming their marriage wouldn’t have survived, you are forgetting that God does not allow us to face moral struggles for which he does not give appropriate graces to overcome. That, or you have a shocking lack of respect for your friend and her husband’s ability to rise above the challenge laid before them.
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I presumed no “shocking lack of respect” (please be calm), I judge only by his actions. Her husband made clear his choice by his actions. He got a vasectomy without telling her rather than risk her life or abstain for the remainder of their lives.
But let’s say you are right, the bishop or the priest has the ability to overrule the doctrinal teaching authority of Pope.
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I didn’t say that. Therefore, all that follows this supposition doesn’t apply to what I’m saying.
 
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mercygate:
Actually, saying the marriage would not have survived says the marriage, as we understand the concept, did not exist.
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You may be right. Some years later they divorced. Neither has sought an annulment, so I don’t know if the church also feels the marriage did not exist.
 
Promotor Fidei:
You may be right. Some years later they divorced. Neither has sought an annulment, so I don’t know if the church also feels the marriage did not exist.
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Blood running cold here. There are times when I hate to be “right.”

Your sister has carried more than her share of the cross. Next time I pray the Joyful Mysteries of the Rosary, I’ll offer the first decade for her. God give her peace.
 
I got 15… I’m disappointed, but I guess there’s a reason that I’m currently rereading the Catechism for the third time:)

God Bless,
Gary
 
Promotor Fidei:
Thanks for the quiz!

I scored as St. Augustine 🙂
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Me too. But a while back, I scored as (gulp) Karl Barth while still scoring 100% Catholic! :whacky:
 
I got 15 correct, but take exception to #14. I still think (c) is correct. Catechism states in para 2042 that second precept is “You shall confess your sins at least once a year” It doesn’t say anything about the necessity of it being mortal sin.

Also, it is my understanding that one may receive communion before confessing a mortal sin if one was unable to go to confession AND one has made a perfect confession and subsequently goes to confession at the first opportunity.

Am I wrong here?

Hikers5
 
Unless you are in a life and death situation you need to Confess first- I am 99.99% positive.
 
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Hikers5:
Also, it is my understanding that one may receive communion before confessing a mortal sin if one was unable to go to confession AND one has made a perfect confession and subsequently goes to confession at the first opportunity.

Am I wrong here?

Hikers5
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Unless you are in a life and death situation you need to Confess first- I am 99.99% positive.
 
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Hikers5:
I got 15 correct, but take exception to #14. I still think (c) is correct. Catechism states in para 2042 that second precept is “You shall confess your sins at least once a year” It doesn’t say anything about the necessity of it being mortal sin.

Also, it is my understanding that one may receive communion before confessing a mortal sin if one was unable to go to confession AND one has made a perfect confession and subsequently goes to confession at the first opportunity.

Am I wrong here?

Hikers5
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I wondered about that also, but I really take exception ot #19. There are three conditions for Mortal Sin: serious matter, suffiecent reflection, and full consent of the will. A matter may be serious but all three must be present for the sin to be mortal.
 
Promotor Fidei:
True. There are plenty of times we are called to heroic virtue. I don’t think this was one of those times.
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neither you nor I has the ability to judge, nor can we judge the pastoral advice received by third parties, all we can go on is the objective moral teaching of the Church, which remains valid, and trust our pastors to help us apply those teachings to our own lives.
 
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Hikers5:
Also, it is my understanding that one may receive communion before confessing a mortal sin if one was unable to go to confession AND one has made a perfect confession and subsequently goes to confession at the first opportunity.

Am I wrong here?

Hikers5
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You are right assuming that the person would be deprived of Holy Communion for a long time if they did not receive right now. If it is a matter of confessing the next day or in a few days and then receiving Holy Communion next Sunday. Then no one should not receive Holy Communion until they confess.
 
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puzzleannie:
neither you nor I has the ability to judge, nor can we judge the pastoral advice received by third parties, all we can go on is the objective moral teaching of the Church, which remains valid, and trust our pastors to help us apply those teachings to our own lives.
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Thanks, PuzzleAnnie, agreed. The bishop wasn’t propounding a contrary doctrine throughout his diocese, he gave specific pastoral guidance in a particular case. It’s been many years, I don’t remember if I ever actually saw the letter.
 
I got 15/20 correct…I am totally upset…I should have looked at the wording better…Are we not sure a Lawyer didn’t construct those questions??? :confused: I get all tripped up with that techinal terms…LOL

Fourteen to sixteen answers correct: You’re nearly ready to take over the adult education classes in your parish–you need to do just a little more homework.
 
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