Worried about Lifeteen coming to our Parish

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I would rather hear contemporary music than bad traditional music. Sometimes the traditional music I have heard has been so bad that I have looked over to the choir area because it really sounded like something was wrong. Traditional music can be both of those things. Hymns don’t have to be played too slow- they can be played in a way that makes them sound majestic- as they are. There are many renaissance motets that are energetic, AND very reverent. Still, I would rather hear music at Mass that the musicians can do well than to hear bad music done by people who don’t know what they are doing.
 
:confused: If thru Christ LT is allowed by Church leaders, I’m just curious what gives traditional lay persons the right to denounce it? Aren’t you simply being Cafeteria Catholics yourselves then, picking and choosing how YOU think the Church should operate?
 
Hah! I totally forgot to mention that.

When I was a teen, I hated having things “dumbed down” for me. Even as a child I did not care for childish things or pandering - I wanted the straight facts. Teens can handle the traditional Church and understand it perfectly; adults merely have to take the time to explain things, same as with anyone. Young people are not idiots.

As a teen, I wanted the most traditional Church I could get. No amount of Latin, incense, long prayers, or anything put me off - I wanted the authentic Faith as closely as I could get to the Medieval glory days in which it reigned supreme. Dumbing things down was the surest way to keep me away.
I felt that way too.

I KNOW teens want to be intellectually challenged. I wanted to be. My friends wanted to be, but because everything was so stripped down, we were left concluding that the Church had no more to offer than a few prayers, some jazzy music and a “teen” Mass.

How sad is it that so many young adults don’t know that the richness of the whole Catholic Faith is available to them? They are starving for knowledge! Those of us who have been blessed to receive it should make a great effort to pass these resources on. 👍

Two books that really stand out to me that I think would be absolutely awesome to share in a confirmation programme are “Christ the King Lord of History” and “This is the Faith.” Buy the books, read them and then pass them on to a teen. They’ll appreciate it, I promise.
 
:confused: If thru Christ LT is allowed by Church leaders, I’m just curious what gives traditional lay persons the right to denounce it? Aren’t you simply being Cafeteria Catholics yourselves then, picking and choosing how YOU think the Church should operate?
Not everything that happens in the Church is something that God wants, desires or is pleased with. Over the years there have been many abominations that have occurred in Church, and I will go out on a limb here and say that God was not pleased with them.

I’m not saying that Lifeteen is an abomination, but I don’t think it is a good thing. Good idea, good intentioned, maybe. A good thing, nah.

Oh and just so you know, the Church herself neither developed nor implemented the concept of Lifeteen. It was the brainchild of a now totally discredited ex priest who has since moved on to found his own Church in which he can manipulate the youth in any way that he sees fit without Church interference.

It is very good to know where these ideas come from in the first place before jumping on the bandwagon to defend them.
 
:confused: If thru Christ LT is allowed by Church leaders, I’m just curious what gives traditional lay persons the right to denounce it? Aren’t you simply being Cafeteria Catholics yourselves then, picking and choosing how YOU think the Church should operate?
A “cafeteria Catholic” is someone who picks and chooses between teachings, not someone who rejects a modernist novelty. Usually, cafeteria Catholics reject traditions altogether and only nominally identify with Catholic teaching, usually where it does not inconvenience their consciences to do so. We have every right, and the duty, to denounce anything that runs contrary to the Catholic truth and tradition and anything that even dims the brilliance of the traditional approach. Nay, we have the duty to do so.

Lifeteen is not an infallible teaching of the Church. As was mentioned above, it is the product of a heretic and as such, its contents and details are suspect. You would do well to learn a thing or two about something before you blindly defend it.
 
There’s a lot on here about Lifeteen Mass lacking reverence… I just wanted to say that the Lifeteen Mass I attend is the MOST reverent mass I have ever been to. The songs chosen are so powerful that I cry over Jesus’s sacrifice every time-- it’s very spiritual. The masses that are the least reverent, imo, are the ones where everyone’s just going through the motions half-asleep. I can’t believe anyone would have a problem with a Lifeteen mass coming to a parish.
 
There’s a lot on here about Lifeteen Mass lacking reverence… I just wanted to say that the Lifeteen Mass I attend is the MOST reverent mass I have ever been to. The songs chosen are so powerful that I cry over Jesus’s sacrifice every time-- it’s very spiritual. The masses that are the least reverent, imo, are the ones where everyone’s just going through the motions half-asleep. I can’t believe anyone would have a problem with a Lifeteen mass coming to a parish.
Then my friend you haven’t seen many of them outside of your own parish.
 
There’s a lot on here about Lifeteen Mass lacking reverence… I just wanted to say that the Lifeteen Mass I attend is the MOST reverent mass I have ever been to. The songs chosen are so powerful that I cry over Jesus’s sacrifice every time-- it’s very spiritual. The masses that are the least reverent, imo, are the ones where everyone’s just going through the motions half-asleep. I can’t believe anyone would have a problem with a Lifeteen mass coming to a parish.
This is why it is good to have various types of Masses. There is nothing wrong with you experiencing the Sacrifice at a LT Mass, and others if they so choose to can attend the Mass they prefer. But all experiencing Christ. What is wrong with that? Nothing. It doesn’t really matter who was behind the concept originally. If it brings Catholics closer to Christ, I will defend it and all Glory goes to God. .
 
I only wish we could talk about the “TLM coming to our Parish.”

Why does Lifeteen spread so quickly throughout our parishes? I have never been to a Lifeteen Mass specifically, but have been to a “youth mass” and it was the worst experience of my life. Never before have I run out of Mass crying. I am restraining myself from a detailed explanation :o

This should help you make reparations for irreverence at Mass:

MOST Holy Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly.
I offer Thee the Most Precious Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity
of Jesus Christ, present in all the tabernacles of the world,
in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges, and indifference
by which He is offended. And through the infinite merit
of His Most Sacred Heart, and the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
I beg of Thee the conversion of poor sinners. (3 times)

It’s one of the many prayers given to the children at Fatima by the angel who preceded Our Lady’s visits.:love:

Love,
another very concerned teenager
Aww well thank you. It would be so nice have people around here asking for more tradition. I recently went D.C. and saw some beautiful churches. It made me sad to think of my parish back home which is so oddly shaped and plain white. Church art work and tradition are a big part of the faith and it seems like adults these days feel teens should haven’t nothing to do with it. I think modern things like LT only divide the church and promotes people looking for Mass that fits their liking. And if they don’t like the ones out there, they start their own LT program with a Mass to their liking. When we do that, we become more like the Protestants. Being fire for Christ doesn’t mean we should forsake reverence for Christ. I’ve heard teens tell me they wouldn’t want to go to Mass it wasn’t a LT. That right there is proof that adults are training these kids to just like the program and not Mass.
 
We have Life Teen at our parish, we’ve had it for some time. The program offers many services to the community and the parish, and assists the Knights, CWL, and other groups with their events. I know this because I’ve been volunteering with Life Teen during that time.

We do have a Life Teen Mass. And at the Life Teen Mass, we do have contemporary music. An acoustic guitar, a keyboard, a drum kit, singers. At the Mass they make a concentrated effort to ensure that the music remains reverent and keep the focus on the Eucharistic Celebration. They read the readings and gospel ahead of time and make sure the music selected fits the readings. When they pray before Mass with themselves, they ask Saint Cecillia for intercession. They ask that God works through them and use their gifts accordingly. There is no hubris involved, no theatrics. Just talented young musicians wanting to praise the Lord, celebrate the Eucharist, and help others do the same. I know this because I’ve been playing percussion with them for six and a half years.

Sacramental Prperation is key, and getting the teens ready to go to their schools to defend their faith from attacks from others is crtical. The Catholic School system in Ontario is failing to provide them with what they need, so it’s up to us to do what needs to be done. They have questions, a large appetite to learn more about their faith, their Church. I know this because not only do I play the drums, but I am also the Catechist for our teens who want to receive the Sacraments if they haven’t received them yet. Last year one teen hit the Grand Slam (Baptism, Confirmation, First Eucharist, and later on Reconciliation). After prayer and discernment he felt called to go on NET, so now he is traveling coast to coast in Canada, doing what he can to bring teens closer to Christ. This year two young women are being confirmed. And during that time, other teens came to not only show their support; but to learn more about their faith. To learn more about the Church, Her Sacraments. At Life Nights they want more, and through the Grace of God we try what we can to provide that.

Someone earlier mentioned it falls on the leaders, and that couldn’t be more true. My seven years with Life Teen have not been for naught. I have grown in my faith, I have seen others grow in their faith. I have seen people “move mountains”, I have seen the great things it can do. I find it disheartening that many here have been robbed of joy due to poor experiences with Life Teen and Contemporary Music. I find it disheartening that many here don’t see the good that can come from these things.

My wife, ironically, teaches Sacred Music at a classical academy. She sees nothing wrong with us doing what we do. Her one complaint is that when she first heard us was that our musical execution needed some work (ie; skill). That of course, gets better with time, practice, and God’s blessing. She understands though that there’s “different strokes for different folks”. For some, Sacred Music is what they need to be drawn into the Mass. For others, more contemporary. For my wife, classically trained musician who teaches Sacred Music…she prefers NO music at Mass, because she can tell whenever a mistake happens with music and it makes her cringe. Takes away from her Mass, so we often go togetehr to a Mass that has minimal music.

Finally, I do want to mention one other thing. A cross I bear is that I suffer from chronic pain and ADHD. For me, minutes seem like hours. Hours feel like days. Time stands still for me quite often, and the chronic pain does not help. I love the Mass, the Bible, the Sacraments…but I can’t sit still. I zone out, I blank out. I cannot focus. When I pray and meditate it goes all over the place. While in a group setting and there is prayer involved…it’s difficult. While playing drums, it is at that moment I truly feel I am prayer to the Lord without abandon, without hesitation. No shaking, no distractions. Just me, Jesus, and the drums. I pray and talk to him then, and it feels like all the crosses I bear are lifted. The only other times those happen are;
  • Immediately after receiving the Body of Christ.
  • Immediately after Reconciliation.
  • Drums during Mass.
They bring me joy and closer to Christ in a way I cannot describe. The way I did above does not do justice. During Mass the music could have the same impact, and to take that away would be a disservice.

In closing, to those who oppose Contemporary Worship Music done with reverence; I respect your opinions, but I disagree. If reverence is there and if the music pertains to the readings, then it has a place. If the musicians make sure it is about the Lord and not about themselves, then it has a place.

To the OP, you have nothing to fear from Life Teen if the leadership is excellent and on fire for the Lord.

Now if you excuse me, I have to prepare materials to teach some Candidates about Reconciliation later this week. This after they were at our Life Teen Mass this evening, along with their father who does not go to Church.

God bless you all.
 
I would rather hear contemporary music than bad traditional music. Sometimes the traditional music I have heard has been so bad that I have looked over to the choir area because it really sounded like something was wrong. Traditional music can be both of those things. Hymns don’t have to be played too slow- they can be played in a way that makes them sound majestic- as they are. There are many renaissance motets that are energetic, AND very reverent. Still, I would rather hear music at Mass that the musicians can do well than to hear bad music done by people who don’t know what they are doing.
Exactly. At my college Catholic Student Center, we have exactly two decent musicians willing to serve, and they play guitar and violin. We have three singers. We have a sometimes piano player who stumbles over everything. The ministers do what they can do well, as reverently as possible. Sometimes I wish we could do more traditional music (though they did manage a beautiful version of “Panis Angelicus” recently!:)) but I know the Mass would suffer. Badly done traditional music is just as distracting as irreverent contemporary music.
 
:confused: If thru Christ LT is allowed by Church leaders, I’m just curious what gives traditional lay persons the right to denounce it? Aren’t you simply being Cafeteria Catholics yourselves then, picking and choosing how YOU think the Church should operate?
It’s not an issue of being a Cafeteria Catholic, Matt. The Church has her parameters as far as the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is concerned. Certainly, movements are allowed to exist. However, when they begin to fool around with the Mass, invent their own rituals and insert things into the liturgy that do not belong there, then, the Church has every right to raise the red flag.

LifeTeen, even though it is a valid movement, does not have absolute control over the liturgy. No movement does. The Neocatechumenal Way learned that the hard way to the point that Pope Benedict XVI had to personally intervene and tell them that their “innovations” had to go or else their constitution would not be approved.

LifeTeen has had some serious liturgical issues to the point that the CDWDS had to intervene. Furthermore, their founder left the Church and began his own ecclesial communty.

There is also the issue of musical instruments. What the proponents of LifeTeen fail to realize is that Musicam Sacram has not been abrogated. Please note what it says about what can be used at Mass:
However, those instruments which are, by common opinion and use, suitable for secular music only, are to be altogether prohibited from every liturgical celebration and from popular devotions.44
The particular genre of music, mostly Protestant P&W, is not compatible with the Mass. The Protestants have their own form of worship that centers entirely on the Word. The Church has the Word and the Sacrifice, something that does not factor into the P&W genre. It’s also not about “me and Jesus in a corner.” The Church’s public worship, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, is a coporate act that factors in the entire membership, the Church Militant (those on Earth), the Church Triumphant (those in Heaven) and the Church Suffering (those in Purgatory). This is a reality that LifeTeen seems to ignore.
 
You’ve mentioned this in a couple of posts I’ve seen. I suppose you feel the same way about Tertullian?

🙂
We’re not talking about Tertullian, we are talking about LifeTeen. From what I understand, the former priest is using the same modus operendi that he employed for Life Teen. The bottom line is that there is valid cause for concern insofar as LifeTeen’s treatment of the Mass is concerned.
 
We have Life Teen at our parish, we’ve had it for some time. The program offers many services to the community and the parish, and assists the Knights, CWL, and other groups with their events. I know this because I’ve been volunteering with Life Teen during that time.

We do have a Life Teen Mass. And at the Life Teen Mass, we do have contemporary music. An acoustic guitar, a keyboard, a drum kit, singers. At the Mass they make a concentrated effort to ensure that the music remains reverent and keep the focus on the Eucharistic Celebration. They read the readings and gospel ahead of time and make sure the music selected fits the readings. When they pray before Mass with themselves, they ask Saint Cecillia for intercession. They ask that God works through them and use their gifts accordingly. There is no hubris involved, no theatrics. Just talented young musicians wanting to praise the Lord, celebrate the Eucharist, and help others do the same. I know this because I’ve been playing percussion with them for six and a half years.

Sacramental Prperation is key, and getting the teens ready to go to their schools to defend their faith from attacks from others is crtical. The Catholic School system in Ontario is failing to provide them with what they need, so it’s up to us to do what needs to be done. They have questions, a large appetite to learn more about their faith, their Church. I know this because not only do I play the drums, but I am also the Catechist for our teens who want to receive the Sacraments if they haven’t received them yet. Last year one teen hit the Grand Slam (Baptism, Confirmation, First Eucharist, and later on Reconciliation). After prayer and discernment he felt called to go on NET, so now he is traveling coast to coast in Canada, doing what he can to bring teens closer to Christ. This year two young women are being confirmed. And during that time, other teens came to not only show their support; but to learn more about their faith. To learn more about the Church, Her Sacraments. At Life Nights they want more, and through the Grace of God we try what we can to provide that.

Someone earlier mentioned it falls on the leaders, and that couldn’t be more true. My seven years with Life Teen have not been for naught. I have grown in my faith, I have seen others grow in their faith. I have seen people “move mountains”, I have seen the great things it can do. I find it disheartening that many here have been robbed of joy due to poor experiences with Life Teen and Contemporary Music. I find it disheartening that many here don’t see the good that can come from these things.

My wife, ironically, teaches Sacred Music at a classical academy. She sees nothing wrong with us doing what we do. Her one complaint is that when she first heard us was that our musical execution needed some work (ie; skill). That of course, gets better with time, practice, and God’s blessing. She understands though that there’s “different strokes for different folks”. For some, Sacred Music is what they need to be drawn into the Mass. For others, more contemporary. For my wife, classically trained musician who teaches Sacred Music…she prefers NO music at Mass, because she can tell whenever a mistake happens with music and it makes her cringe. Takes away from her Mass, so we often go togetehr to a Mass that has minimal music.

Finally, I do want to mention one other thing. A cross I bear is that I suffer from chronic pain and ADHD. For me, minutes seem like hours. Hours feel like days. Time stands still for me quite often, and the chronic pain does not help. I love the Mass, the Bible, the Sacraments…but I can’t sit still. I zone out, I blank out. I cannot focus. When I pray and meditate it goes all over the place. While in a group setting and there is prayer involved…it’s difficult. While playing drums, it is at that moment I truly feel I am prayer to the Lord without abandon, without hesitation. No shaking, no distractions. Just me, Jesus, and the drums. I pray and talk to him then, and it feels like all the crosses I bear are lifted. The only other times those happen are;
  • Immediately after receiving the Body of Christ.
  • Immediately after Reconciliation.
  • Drums during Mass.
They bring me joy and closer to Christ in a way I cannot describe. The way I did above does not do justice. During Mass the music could have the same impact, and to take that away would be a disservice.

In closing, to those who oppose Contemporary Worship Music done with reverence; I respect your opinions, but I disagree. If reverence is there and if the music pertains to the readings, then it has a place. If the musicians make sure it is about the Lord and not about themselves, then it has a place.

To the OP, you have nothing to fear from Life Teen if the leadership is excellent and on fire for the Lord.

Now if you excuse me, I have to prepare materials to teach some Candidates about Reconciliation later this week. This after they were at our Life Teen Mass this evening, along with their father who does not go to Church.

God bless you all.
What a beautiful post. You celebrate the Eucharist. So I don’t understand the problem traditionalists have. They don’t have to attend LT if they don’t want but should praise God LT brings people closer to Christ. A total no brainer to me. God bless you!
 
What if someone thinks that going to a Clown Mass brings them closer to Christ, is that cool? Or a Mass with scantily clad women dancing, is that cool? Or some other abomination…is that cool?
This is why it is good to have various types of Masses. There is nothing wrong with you experiencing the Sacrifice at a LT Mass, and others if they so choose to can attend the Mass they prefer. But all experiencing Christ. What is wrong with that? Nothing. It doesn’t really matter who was behind the concept originally. If it brings Catholics closer to Christ, I will defend it and all Glory goes to God. .
 
I agree…and it wasn’t a problem, because back in the day, it was taught and Catholics believed that missing Mass was a mortal sin…now a days, there are a lot of Catholics, both young and old, that do not believe it is a mortal sin to miss Mass…or attend a Protestant service in place of going to Mass…let alone see the necessity of sacramental confession prior to receiving Holy Communion if they are in a state of mortal sin
Also, many teenagers get offended by the idea that we need to “dumb down” things to appeal to them or, alternatively, that people just assume that what is appealing to them is modern instruments. Many teens yearn to know more about Church tradition but the leaders are so bent on forcing the modern stuff that they never get the opportunity.

Don’t assume that “Life Teen” is really what today’s teens want (or need). Offer teens something to challenge them intellectually and spiritually. Teach them about the Church’s rich history and you may be surprised at how receptive they are.
 
What if someone thinks that going to a Clown Mass brings them closer to Christ, is that cool? Or a Mass with scantily clad women dancing, is that cool? Or some other abomination…is that cool?
So you are comparing reverent contemporary music during Mass to clowns/scantly clad women? Welcoming teens (and their families) and leading them closer to Christ by promoting the Mass and the Sacraments is an “Abomination”?

I’m certain that in each of those cases (clowns/women), if the Vatican stepped in and said changes need to happen, if they were truly devout those changes would happen. In 2004 the Vatican told Life Teen what issues needed to be addressed, and Life Teen sent out several communications to inform parishes of the required changes. I was there for those changes, and the Vatican’s decision was taken seriously and immediately acted upon. The Vatican is obviously aware and is keeping an eye on things on that front, it’d be foolish of them not to.

EDIT: I want to add that I agree “dumbing things” down is not the right plan, which is why we don’t dumb things down. Just because something is geared to youth doesn’t mean the people water things down for them.

We don’t offer and teach Diet Catholicism, thanks. They don’t want diet, and we won’t teach diet. We offer the Coca-Cola, the real deal Catholic Church.
 
Then my friend you haven’t seen many of them outside of your own parish.
I’ve seen lots, actually. How could you judge the specific Lifeteen Mass I attend without knowing anything about it? We have a great priest and there is absolutely no “dumbing down” whatsoever. The only thing that is different about it is heartfelt music and standing room only. Many seniors make a point to come to this Mass because it’s wonderful. Your judgment is pretty offensive.
 
This is why it is good to have various types of Masses. There is nothing wrong with you experiencing the Sacrifice at a LT Mass, and others if they so choose to can attend the Mass they prefer. But all experiencing Christ. What is wrong with that? Nothing. It doesn’t really matter who was behind the concept originally. If it brings Catholics closer to Christ, I will defend it and all Glory goes to God. .
Thank you!

I don’t understand all of these sweeping judgments of LT masses. It’s really sad that people are so judgmental. I’m sure there are some LT masses that are pretty bad, but for people to claim they are ALL bad-- that’s nuts.
 
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