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april32010
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you posted hoping to to stir up rage against liturgical abuses and it didn’t happen,
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PJD1987
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No, actually I did not. I’ve clearly explained my reason for posting. And I certainly do not appreciate your presumption.
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Jeanne_S
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We recite the Creed at the Mass I attended this morning,this in addition to all mentioned above.
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SuscipeMeDomine
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Perhaps the priest knew he needed to prepare a homily for the Cycle A readings for a Mass with the elect and didn’t want to or didn’t think to prepare another homily for the Cycle C readings. Things happen.
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SonSearcher
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Second that. Even the Magnificat had both in it today.
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SonSearcher
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Yes the celebrant. Both avenues are presented so are long form short form readings. It is up to the ordained individual who has been trained in the liturgy to choose.
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twopekinguys
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People make mistakes.
I remember one year, the Lector read Cycle C for the first 2 readings, and the Priest read Cycle A Gospel.
Mistakes happen.
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Allegra
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Sorry, but this was not the worst Mass ever. I accidentally stumbled into the “youth Mass” today. 
(Which is a term that is insulting the intelligence of youth everywhere.) My ears are still ringing…
(Which is a term that is insulting the intelligence of youth everywhere.) My ears are still ringing…
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marytk
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I was told that the priest can choose from another year’s reading with good cause. So one might feel that keeping to one homily was a good reason so used the readings for year A at all Masses They are both great readings.
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YoungTradCath
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We used Year A but had no catechumens… odd.
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Beachcomber
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I have had that experience. Whenever I end up having to attend another parish, I check extremely closely for their youth Mass so that I may be able to avoid. It isn’t for everyone.Sorry, but this was not the worst Mass ever. I accidentally stumbled into the “youth Mass” today.
Although, I did talk to a lady (who was in the great-grandmother age range) who said she just loved it.
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Allegra
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I’m sorry, but most the people who “love it” aren’t teens at all but middle-aged women. Just because a person is young, doesn’t mean they need loud banging racket and words that are completely dumbed down, and a priest that trying to relate to them using moronic phrases that he thinks are currently “hip” or “rad”. In this case, the “youth Mass” is normally held at noon, but for some reason was moved up to 10AM instead.
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smndtupidisaftr
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Yeah, it seems that they are the most ardent supporters of it. But there are youth that enjoy it; question is, are they getting anything worthwhile out of it? My experience says no, but then again that kind of music is not my thing (and the music is the big thing). Frankly, I’d enjoy the opportunity for the youth to see the richness and beauty of the Church’s two thousand year history. I never saw that until I searched for it myself. It’s not even sparsely available.
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Allegra
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Most the people who attend appear to be families. Some of them have teens with them but alot of them don’t. Maybe it’s a good Mass to attend if you have really noisy kids and don’t want to be the subject of another irate thread on CA!
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smndtupidisaftr
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I’ve only seen threads here about noisy priests, never noisy babies!
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Ceil-1
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I am sorry you had to put up with certain, (adjectives left out) posters who love to chastize another any chance they get. Any emotion is considered attck-worthy in some people’s eyes.
Enough about spiritual pride. The readings are all baloxed-up because they are different for RCIA. This morning, the poor lector read the wrong first reading because the priest was doing the alternate readings for the elect. I felt so sorry for her. I also remembered why I don’t do the readings. But, I digress.
Because I actually took the time to read and understand your post, I sense that this sort of thing is not new. You have probably been putting up with the performance-driven ad-lib thing for a while, now. I put up with that for the majority of my life and still run into it now and then. The faith is, no doubt, watered down in that parish, and insipid, and the leadership lazy, by coincidence.
The problem is, as you have read in the previous posts. We are told to buck-up and deal with it. We are to keep our mouths shut and just grit our teeth and bear it. The problem with this theory is that we have done so for so long our children have no clue that there is actually a rhyme and reason to it all. That everything is loosey-goosey and that’s okay and they wander off with into their girlfriend’s or boyfriend’s church or worse yet, and what happened to me for a while, into fairy tales or fables or agnosticism or atheism or just plain nothing.
I don’t know about the readings, as such, and I think there are times the Creed is optional. But I hear you on the ad-lib thing. I know exactly what you are talking about. Right up to a First Communion where the priest took the lone Communicant onto the altar to help him consecrate the Eucharist. Oh, yes, he did.
The only remedy I can see is that you, and those like you who value the Church and the Mass and what it all stands for, find yourself a Mass somewhere that you can tolerate. Your absence will say everything. If everyone had such high standards, the nonsense would stop because if everyone left and crowded into the good Masses, they would put a stop to those performers tout suite, I can tell you. Once that basket started to dry up they would stand and take notice in a heartbeat, you can count on that.
I hate being cynical, but it’s the truth. I would find a better Mass, and then I would write to the bishop, cc-ing the priest who does that Mass and tell him why (in as nice a way as I could). I would not put up with tolerating a badly said Mass. It is your right to have it done correctly and reverently. In my case, I had to think about the proper formation of my children, and by golly I did it, too. It took hopping around to three churches.
I still have to put up with a lot, not the least of which a cold, unfriendly pastor who yells in the confessional. But at least I have places I can go for consolation.
So, how’s that for a rant? Now they can write their nasty-grams to me and give you a break.
Enough about spiritual pride. The readings are all baloxed-up because they are different for RCIA. This morning, the poor lector read the wrong first reading because the priest was doing the alternate readings for the elect. I felt so sorry for her. I also remembered why I don’t do the readings. But, I digress.
Because I actually took the time to read and understand your post, I sense that this sort of thing is not new. You have probably been putting up with the performance-driven ad-lib thing for a while, now. I put up with that for the majority of my life and still run into it now and then. The faith is, no doubt, watered down in that parish, and insipid, and the leadership lazy, by coincidence.
The problem is, as you have read in the previous posts. We are told to buck-up and deal with it. We are to keep our mouths shut and just grit our teeth and bear it. The problem with this theory is that we have done so for so long our children have no clue that there is actually a rhyme and reason to it all. That everything is loosey-goosey and that’s okay and they wander off with into their girlfriend’s or boyfriend’s church or worse yet, and what happened to me for a while, into fairy tales or fables or agnosticism or atheism or just plain nothing.
I don’t know about the readings, as such, and I think there are times the Creed is optional. But I hear you on the ad-lib thing. I know exactly what you are talking about. Right up to a First Communion where the priest took the lone Communicant onto the altar to help him consecrate the Eucharist. Oh, yes, he did.
The only remedy I can see is that you, and those like you who value the Church and the Mass and what it all stands for, find yourself a Mass somewhere that you can tolerate. Your absence will say everything. If everyone had such high standards, the nonsense would stop because if everyone left and crowded into the good Masses, they would put a stop to those performers tout suite, I can tell you. Once that basket started to dry up they would stand and take notice in a heartbeat, you can count on that.
I hate being cynical, but it’s the truth. I would find a better Mass, and then I would write to the bishop, cc-ing the priest who does that Mass and tell him why (in as nice a way as I could). I would not put up with tolerating a badly said Mass. It is your right to have it done correctly and reverently. In my case, I had to think about the proper formation of my children, and by golly I did it, too. It took hopping around to three churches.
I still have to put up with a lot, not the least of which a cold, unfriendly pastor who yells in the confessional. But at least I have places I can go for consolation.
So, how’s that for a rant? Now they can write their nasty-grams to me and give you a break.
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grasscutter
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Ceil-1
I accept your invitation.
Mainly, though, I want to hear more about the circumstances of the priest who yells in the confessional. How awkward for the poor penitent.
I accept your invitation.
Mainly, though, I want to hear more about the circumstances of the priest who yells in the confessional. How awkward for the poor penitent.
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malphono
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Attention Ceil: this is **NOT **a nasty-gram.
Just the reverse. 
You said, more personally and in greater detail, essentially what [post=10433730]I[/post] I suggested earlier. No, people do not have to “grin and bear it” just because a Mass is considered “valid” (using Western terminology). There’s a lot more to it than “magic words syndrome” or mere validity. And a resounding **YES **to the highlighted portion of your post. People always have the option of voting with their feet. Wouldst that more people would care enough to do it. It might just help to put a top to the pseudo-liturgical nonsense that, despite the efforts and example of my beloved Benedict XVI, is still rampant in the Latin Church (not to mention i some of the Oriental Churches as well, but I digress).
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pnewton
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I know that year A is to be used whenever there are catechumens or candidates. I do not know if it excluded all other times. It may still be an option.
In any case, at the end of the day, this particular Mass only had one issue, the Agnus Dei. Irritating, but only a minute and its over?
On the bright side, if this is truly the worst Mass you have been to, consider yourself blessed.
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triumphguy
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If there were elect and scrutinies at another mass then maybe the priest didn’t have the time to study and write and deliver two sets of homilies. It can take hours to prepare a homily.
My own rant: Here goes - there are no “bad” masses when the Eucharist is valid!
The almighty, omnipotent, all-creating God is present in the Eucharist in the person of Jesus, Our Saviour who died and rose for us.
Despite what else happens in the liturgy.
Also, let’s presume that our priests are doing the best they can.
It’s how my mom taught me. Presume the best of people.
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