Would it be correct to say that God is Catholic?

[CrossofChrist]

All these apply only to Jesus. Not to God (a trinity of beings).

He was never baptized or confirmed (in a Christian sense). Never received Holy Orders or was Married to a woman. He was not anointed in the Passion.

I don’t think the poster meant those things in a literal sense, but in more of an allegorical sense, since after all all the Sacraments have their origin in and lead back to Christ.

 

[ccmcmg]

Christ, during his time on Earth, was Jewish and even referred to as rabbi. I would go so far as to say that the only way Jesus abstained from all sin was by being Jewish instead of Catholic or Christian because Judaism worships the Father alone.

To imply that Jesus was Catholic means that Jesus worshiped himself. This would violate the First Commandment that as a rabbi, Jesus taught and upheld. If He is without sin, then he would not break a commandment.

The way that Jesus abstained from sin wasn’t because He was Jewish, but because He is God.

Jesus honored Jewish tradition, but He did not worship Himself. Jesus is God, even as man. If you’d like to argue the 1st commandment, worship only God, then you could argue that He worshiped Himself, as He was/is God. He didn’t stop being God when He became Man.

I wouldn’t imply that Jesus was Catholic. Yes, He was born a Jewish man. However, He did found the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is the Church of Jesus Christ our Savior, therefore, also of the Holy Spirit and the Father…God.

 

[tskrobacz]

The way that Jesus abstained from sin wasn’t because He was Jewish, but because He is God.

Jesus honored Jewish tradition, but He did not worship Himself. Jesus is God, even as man. If you’d like to argue the 1st commandment, worship only God, then you could argue that He worshiped Himself, as He was/is God. He didn’t stop being God when He became Man.

I wouldn’t imply that Jesus was Catholic. Yes, He was born a Jewish man. However, He did found the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is the Church of Jesus Christ our Savior, therefore, also of the Holy Spirit and the Father…God.

Many would argue that it was not his intent to found a new Church - simply to build upon the church of the ancient Jewish people. He was the fulfillment of the Jewish prophecies. In some sense it is a sin that there is any separation from the Hebrew tradition. Jesus is more properly understood as the fulfillment and final revelation of the old testament prophecies.

 

[CrossofChrist]

Many would argue that it was not his intent to found a new Church - simply to build upon the church of the ancient Jewish people. He was the fulfillment of the Jewish prophecies. In some sense it is a sin that there is any separation from the Hebrew tradition. Jesus is more properly understood as the fulfillment and final revelation of the old testament prophecies.

“New wine can’t be poured into old wineskins.” - Jesus

Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant, but in doing so he inaugurates a New Covenant meant to encompass all of humanity. This “New Israel”, the new community Jesus creates is the Church.

 

[tskrobacz]

“New wine can’t be poured into old wineskins.” - Jesus

Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant, but in doing so he inaugurates a New Covenant meant to encompass all of humanity. This “New Israel”, the new community Jesus creates is the Church.

Yes, this is also true…

 

[Deconi]

All these apply only to Jesus. Not to God (a trinity of beings).

He was never baptized or confirmed (in a Christian sense). Never received Holy Orders or was Married to a woman. He was not anointed in the Passion.

One should beware not to separate the Inseparable, else others start thinking Jesus is ONLY 1/3 God! (Not saying you meant this)

He WAS Baptized AND Confirmed in every possible sense of those terms. Moerover, HOLY ORDERS are bestowed on one who RECEIVES them from the Primary Agent of HOLIness, GOD! Therefore, Jesus (Primary) HAS Holy Orders as He OWNS them!!..enabling us to refer to Him as Our High Priest on Earth and IN Heaven.

Not being created - as Adam was - He has no ‘Rib’ to find to cling to!

His celibacy is the reason Paul speaks against marriage for those desiring to be priests…and subject of much debate, of course.

Jesus, was anointed at His Baptism when The Father declared and affirmed Him for Confirmation is simply the wilful act of an adult to accept God! This, of course, is an outward mark for the human aspect and those witnessing since Jesus was God before conception.

To answer the OP question though, God Is Catholic because if you start something, that ‘something’ is part of you, but you are not confined to the limitations of that ‘something.’ In other words, since He started His Church - which men have called Catholic - He remains a part of it as Alpha, but He is NOT A MEMBER of it!

A Shepherd may be as meek as one of his lambs, but he is not one of his sheep; he owns the farm!

 

[AmbroseSJ]

To answer the OP question though, God Is Catholic because if you start something, that ‘something’ is part of you, but you are not confined to the limitations of that ‘something.’ In other words, since He started His Church - which men have called Catholic - He remains a part of it as Alpha, but He is NOT A MEMBER of it!

Although, as St. Paul says, Jesus is the Head of the body. If the head is not a member of the body, then I don’t know what is! Since Jesus is God, then God must be a member of the Body, that is of the Church, that is of the Catholic Church, which is to say, that God is Catholic!

 

[fisherman_carl]

The term Catholic applies to the Church. God is head of the Church. We are his body. With Christ as the head.

 

[Evan]

Perhaps another way of looking at it is this:

Baptized in the name of the Trinity in the Jordan (Holy Spirit comes as a dove, the Father speaks, and the Son himself approves of his own mission as he is the one who undergoes the baptism)
Confirmed in his Transfiguration
Receives the Eucharist at his Last Supper
Receives the Anointing of the Sick in the Garden of Gethsemane (strengthened by an angel from God the Father)
Receives Holy Orders in becoming a Priest on the Cross
Celebrates Reconciliation on the Cross by “confessing” the sins of the world in himself by “becoming sin”.
And finally, marries the Church at it’s founding at Pentecost.

So, who confected the eucharist at the Last Supper? Jesus only became a priest on the Cross.
Marries the Church as Pentecost? Who gave consent for the Church, both parties, must consent. And was the marriage ever consumated?

Confirmed in the transfiguration, the sacrament of the HS, yet the HS was not noticably present.

Somebody is trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.

The shepherd is not part of the flock, a jacket cannot put on a jacket and Christ cannot put on Christ. A king is not a subject of the king.

Just to clear things up??? is the question: Is Jesus a Catholic? or are the persons of God Catholic, or is the Trinity Catholic.

If God is Catholic, when did he become Catholic, God never changes and is outside time.

Is God a Catholic via the baptism of desire, since the Father (for example) could not be baptized as He is pure spirit. But if He was able to be baptized he would do it. Yet everything is possible with God, if He truely desired it, he would create a body for himself and be baptized. But since he does not desire baptism, He is not Catholic. He is only God, pure love and pure good.

I think the question is non-sense, so I will leave you to debate it further.

 

[Deconi]

So, who confected the eucharist at the Last Supper? Jesus only became a priest on the Cross.
Marries the Church as Pentecost? Who gave consent for the Church, both parties, must consent. And was the marriage ever consumated?

Confirmed in the transfiguration, the sacrament of the HS, yet the HS was not noticably present.

Somebody is trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.

The shepherd is not part of the flock, a jacket cannot put on a jacket and Christ cannot put on Christ. A king is not a subject of the king.

Just to clear things up??? is the question: Is Jesus a Catholic? or are the persons of God Catholic, or is the Trinity Catholic.

If God is Catholic, when did he become Catholic, God never changes and is outside time.

Is God a Catholic via the baptism of desire, since the Father (for example) could not be baptized as He is pure spirit. But if He was able to be baptized he would do it. Yet everything is possible with God, if He truely desired it, he would create a body for himself and be baptized. But since he does not desire baptism, He is not Catholic. He is only God, pure love and pure good.

I think the question is non-sense, so I will leave you to debate it further.

That Emboldened bit has an answer!
“In the beginning was The Word and The Word was with God and The Word was God!” (John)

That ‘WORD’ spoke The Church into existence!..so it follows that God was already Catholic, before Christ was born!..simply because God ‘knew’ before sending His WORD that The Church’s existence in this realm was foregone!

You’re thinking linear as opposed to encompassing EVERY THING ever made by God; seen and unseen; physical and non-physical; Heaven and outside of it. Remember The Church REACHES into Heaven itself!

The reason God is Catholic is because He has an ACTIVE role during MASS!! It is the moment when Heaven and Earth UNITE in One accord and all the Angels and Saints - including The Blessed Virgin - together with ‘you, my brothers and sisters…’ ‘approach’ The Throne of God!
This is IMPOSSIBLE and FUTILE were it not for the active PARTICIPATION on God’s part!..to GRANT it and as RECIPIENT of the Mass.

 

[Deconi]

Although, as St. Paul says, Jesus is the Head of the body. If the head is not a member of the body, then I don’t know what is! Since Jesus is God, then God must be a member of the Body, that is of the Church, that is of the Catholic Church, which is to say, that God is Catholic!

Although I agree with you, I was trying to answer the ‘issue’ on it’s level (Literal and temporal as opposed to Mystical) That said, we are fast approaching the ability in technology to ‘prove’ the Head can function WITHOUT the Body, whereas the body CANNOT function without a head!!

Just a thought…

 

[AmbroseSJ]

Although I agree with you, I was trying to answer the ‘issue’ on it’s level (Literal and temporal as opposed to Mystical) That said, we are fast approaching the ability in technology to ‘prove’ the Head can function WITHOUT the Body, whereas the body CANNOT function without a head!!

Just a thought…

Agreed! I knew there were certain “senses” or qualifications in which my claim might only stand. But otherwise it would be exposed for the sophistical reply it was! But I appreciate the mystical attribute you ascribe.