Would it be okay for a Catholic Hiring manager or business owner to fire someone just for being gay?

[WildCatholic]

For example, lets say your an HR manager for a Target and you find out an employee of yours is gay. Is it morally alright to fire them just for being gay, even though the job is not one that promotes the gay lifestyle and the company isn’t catholic. Would it be wrong to fire someone just for being gay if they work for a non-catholic entity? Obviously I know (and agree with ) that Catholic institutions shouldn’t have gays working for them. But what about just a regular old business like target in my example

 

[marywarfield]

For example, lets say your an HR manager for a Target and you find out an employee of yours is gay. Is it morally alright to fire them just for being gay, even though the job is not one that promotes the gay lifestyle and the company isn’t catholic. Would it be wrong to fire someone just for being gay if they work for a non-catholic entity? Obviously I know (and agree with ) that Catholic institutions shouldn’t have gays working for them. But what about just a regular old business like target in my example

Absolutely not. First Target is not a religious institution.
A. Being gay is not a sin being actively homosexual is a sin.
B. even so, no unless you want to quit your own job
it is not your job to fire sinners.
C. It is a serious sin to deprive another of their
livelihood without real just cause.
Being gay is not just cause.
Would you fire a recovering alcoholic?
A man or woman who had an affair?
Get real.

 

[WildCatholic]

Absolutely not. First Target is not a religious institution.
A. Being gay is not a sin being actively homosexual is a sin.
B. even so, no unless you want to quit your own job
it is not your job to fire sinners.
C. It is a serious sin to deprive another of their
livelihood without real just cause.
Being gay is not just cause.
Would you fire a recovering alcoholic?
A man or woman who had an affair?
Get real.

But then should catholic institutions say this as well and hire them? I think not. Don’t get me wrong, but a person doesn’t have to be gay. Being gay isn’t like being black or being disabled. You can’t change those things.

 

[Cojuanco]

For example, lets say your an HR manager for a Target and you find out an employee of yours is gay. Is it morally alright to fire them just for being gay, even though the job is not one that promotes the gay lifestyle and the company isn’t catholic. Would it be wrong to fire someone just for being gay if they work for a non-catholic entity? Obviously I know (and agree with ) that Catholic institutions shouldn’t have gays working for them. But what about just a regular old business like target in my example

Aside from it being in most places illegal (and therefore a sin against the Fourth Commandment, which by implication commands us to follow the laws of the civil authorities where they do not command sin)?

I would say we would be depriving the laborer of his wages without just cause, essentially. Which, like the sin your hypothetical employee is engaging in, is also a sin that cries out to Heaven for vengeance.

The reason there is a ministerial exception is that clergy and those who work with them, like in the Catholic schools, are supposed to live up to a higher standard as part of their job. Even then, though, having attractions to same sex persons isn’t cause for dismissal. Engaging in It habitually and publically and defiantly saying so would be.

 

[TRH1292]

No, it is not morally okay.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

For example, lets say your an HR manager for a Target and you find out an employee of yours is gay. Is it morally alright to fire them just for being gay, even though the job is not one that promotes the gay lifestyle and the company isn’t catholic. Would it be wrong to fire someone just for being gay if they work for a non-catholic entity? Obviously I know (and agree with ) that Catholic institutions shouldn’t have gays working for them. But what about just a regular old business like target in my example

That s sinful, indeed that is a grave matter and so can be mortally sinful, indeed depriving the laborer of his wages without just cause is a very grave matter.

But then should catholic institutions say this as well and hire them? I think not. Don’t get me wrong, but a person doesn’t have to be gay. Being gay isn’t like being black or being disabled. You can’t change those things.

Even the studies in favor of sexual orientation change show the percent change is pretty poor; in the Jones and Yarhouse study only 15% were claimed as conversion success and most of those simply moved from primarily same sex orientated bisexuals to primarily opposite sex oriented bisexuals.

 

[Beryllos]

But then should catholic institutions say this as well and hire them? I think not…

Where did you get that? Regarding persons with homosexual tendencies, the Catechism teaches: “They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.” (from CCC 2358)

See CCC 2357-2359 for additional Catholic teachings concerning homosexuality.

 

[triumphguy]

For example, lets say your an HR manager for a Target and you find out an employee of yours is gay. Is it morally alright to fire them just for being gay, even though the job is not one that promotes the gay lifestyle and the company isn’t catholic. Would it be wrong to fire someone just for being gay if they work for a non-catholic entity? Obviously I know (and agree with ) that Catholic institutions shouldn’t have gays working for them. But what about just a regular old business like target in my example

Of course Catholic institutions can have people with SSA working for them.

Having now posted I see the previous posters answer this well.

 

[triumphguy]

But then should catholic institutions say this as well and hire them? I think not. Don’t get me wrong, but a person doesn’t have to be gay. Being gay isn’t like being black or being disabled. You can’t change those things.

Most people who have SSA would probably rather they didn’t. For most it is not a question of choice but of struggle.

 

[ChevalierdeJohn]

People who experience same-sex attraction are that way because God Made Them That Way.

Human beings, unique among God’s creations, have a choice as to when and with whom we have sexual relations.

God-Christ’s commandment to us is that we ought to only have sexual relations within a marriage, which is defined as a partnership between a man and a woman.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, sinful about experiencing same-sex attraction and not acting upon it.

When it comes to hiring and firing someone who experiences same-sex attraction, it depends on their relationship with others. Are they disruptive, advocating same-sex intercourse and generally advocating that other employees behave immorally? Well, then you have a responsibility to the other employees to provide a safe work environment. But if they’re just gay, and you fire them - isn’t that cutting them off? Aren’t you in fact obligated to love and care for them as a fellow human being, and try, through the employee/employer relationship, to set them on a separate path? I think there’s some story some guy told about a Samaritan, and helping those we would be most unlikely to help…I dunno, I read it in an old book. Probably doesn’t mean anything.

 

[phil19034]

But then should catholic institutions say this as well and hire them? I think not. Don’t get me wrong, but a person doesn’t have to be gay. Being gay isn’t like being black or being disabled. You can’t change those things.

Catholic institutions can hire gay people. However, depending on their mission and purpose (for example a school), they might fire someone who causes scandal.

i.e. someone who is in a gay marriage, heterosexual couples living together without getting married, heterosexual couples having a child outside of marriage, divorced and remarried without annulment, etc.

Usually, the scandal comes into play when the employee’s perpetual state of sin is public knowledge. Or if they are publicly preaching against Church teaching.

However, you cannot fire someone simply for being gay. This is morally wrong.

 

[SMGS127]

Catholic institutions can hire gay people. However, depending on their mission and purpose (for example a school), they might fire someone who causes scandal. As far as I know, the only place where known gay people are not permitted is the seminary.

i.e. someone who is in a gay marriage, heterosexual couples living together without getting married, heterosexual couples having a child outside of marriage, divorced and remarried without annulment, etc.

Usually, the scandal comes into play when the employee’s perpetual state of sin is public knowledge. Or if they are publicly preaching against Church teaching.

However, you cannot fire someone simply for being gay. This is morally wrong.

this.

Catholic institutions rarely fire people for being gay, even if they are a practicing homosexual. The only exceptions are if they are:

a) in a position of leadership among children or in some other way a role model to children (e.g. a teacher, a CCD instructor)

b) and they are outwardly practicing homosexuality or encouraging a belief in the morality of homosexuality.

Occasionally, both positions will be met (e.g. an actively gay teacher) without someone being fired; usually, in this case though, the teacher has agreed to keep the knowledge of their relationship completely secret. If the knowledge becomes public and/or they make “permanent” their relationship, then scandal applies. This is what happened to a VP recently at a Catholic high school. They let him stay on as long as his relationship to a man was not found out by his students, but when he publicized a “marriage” ceremony, he broke both rules and caused major scandal (in the Catholic, not political sense), forcing his firing.

 

[WKW_69]

For example, lets say your an HR manager for a Target and you find out an employee of yours is gay. Is it morally alright to fire them just for being gay, even though the job is not one that promotes the gay lifestyle and the company isn’t catholic. Would it be wrong to fire someone just for being gay if they work for a non-catholic entity? Obviously I know (and agree with ) that Catholic institutions shouldn’t have gays working for them. But what about just a regular old business like target in my example

In many states it is perfectly fine to fire any one for any reason as long as it is not based on religion, race, nationality or gender, the US has at-will employment laws. There is nothing in canon law that prevents firing an employee for any immoral purposes.

 

[Nacho45]

Just for being homosexual, nothing else? No, it wouldn’t be okay.

 

[Isca]

I’m quite shocked that someone could think being gay is a reason to take a job away from someone else.

 

[Captain_America]

Tired of the gay topics. Boring. Let’s move on.

 

[WildCatholic]

I’m quite shocked that someone could think being gay is a reason to take a job away from someone else.

Why is it wrong though. My own priest says the gay lobby controls the media and that all this anti gay stuff is just the media being a bunch of crybabies. Why not just go work for a gay friendly company. There’s plenty of them.

 

[KimberlyCat]

No.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Are there instances in which it would be just not to hire and/or fire someone for homosexual behavior? Yes

Are there instances in which it would be just not to hire and/or fire someone for being homosexual? No

The difference is one is an immoral behavior and the other is not.

 

[weller2]

For example, lets say your an HR manager for a Target and you find out an employee of yours is gay. Is it morally alright to fire them just for being gay, even though the job is not one that promotes the gay lifestyle and the company isn’t catholic.

Let’s say that you are an HR manager and you find out that an employee of yours is Catholic. Is it morally alright to fire them just for being Catholic, even though the job is not one that promotes Catholic lifestyle and the company isn’t gay-owned?