Would it be okay for a Catholic Hiring manager or business owner to fire someone just for being gay?

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Are you willing to extend that to other people who are engaging in inmoral behavior? For example, if someone is living with a member of the opposite sex that they aren’t married to, a parent whose child was born out of wedlock, someone who remarried after divorce, a glutton, a gossiper… and on and on.

We are all sinners. If the HR person was consistant in applying biblical standards, they wouldn’t be able to hire anyone.
 
Why is it wrong though. My own priest says the gay lobby controls the media and that all this anti gay stuff is just the media being a bunch of crybabies. Why not just go work for a gay friendly company. There’s plenty of them.
Well. For one because Same Sex Attraction is not a sin itself.

For two because the Church in the catechism and also Church leaders have strongly denounced discrimination towards gay people.

Third, because its very selective. Would you fire people that struggle with or commit other sins, or just this one?
 
Why is it wrong though. My own priest says the gay lobby controls the media and that all this anti gay stuff is just the media being a bunch of crybabies. Why not just go work for a gay friendly company. There’s plenty of them.
You’re not really serious are you?

Easy for you to say since in all probability you are not gay. I have been accused all the time of being gay even though I am not since I am single. I shudder to think of losing my job because someone suspects me of being gay.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says we are not to discriminate unjustly against homosexuals. Does not matter if there “gay friendly” companies out there. Unjust discrimination is still wrong.

Would you fire a chaste homosexual who is living a fully conformed Christian life?
 
For example, lets say your an HR manager for a Target and you find out an employee of yours is gay. Is it morally alright to fire them just for being gay…
It depends.

The CCC states:2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of **unjust **discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
(You will find those who are homosexualist and who lobby for the normalization of homosexuality will often quote 2358 without regard to 2357…that’s why I cited both)

Additionally, the 1975 CDF Declaration Persona Humana states:In the pastoral field, these homosexuals must certainly be treated with understanding and sustained in the hope of overcoming their personal difficulties and their inability to fit into society. Their culpability will be judged with prudence. But no pastoral method can be employed which would give moral justification to these acts on the grounds that they would be consonant with the condition of such people.
In addition, the CDF published several concrete considerations pertaining to the non-discrimination against homosexual persons back in 1992: 10. “Sexual orientation” does not constitute a quality comparable to race, ethnic background, etc. in respect to non-discrimination. Unlike these, homosexual orientation is an objective disorder (cf. Letter, no. 3) and evokes moral concern.
  1. There are areas in which it is not unjust discrimination to take sexual orientation into account, for example, in the placement of children for adoption or foster care, in employment of teachers or athletic coaches, and in military recruitment.
  2. Homosexual persons, as human persons, have the same rights as all persons including the right of not being treated in a manner which offends their personal dignity (cf. no. 10). Among other rights, all persons have the right to work, to housing, etc. Nevertheless, these rights are not absolute. They can be legitimately limited for objectively disordered external conduct. This is sometimes not only licit but obligatory. This would obtain moreover not only in the case of culpable behavior but even in the case of actions of the physically or mentally ill. Thus it is accepted that the state may restrict the exercise of rights, for example, in the case of contagious or mentally ill persons, in order to protect the common good.
  3. **Including “homosexual orientation” among the considerations on the basis of which it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead to regarding homosexuality as a positive source of human rights, for example, in respect to so-called affirmative action or preferential treatment in hiring practices. **This is all the more deleterious since there is no right to homo- sexuality (cf. no. 10) which therefore should not form the basis for judicial claims. The passage from the recognition of homosexuality as a factor on which basis it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead, if not automatically, to the legislative protection and promotion of homosexuality. A person’s homosexuality would be invoked in opposition to alleged discrimination, and thus the exercise of rights would be defended precisely via the affirmation of the homosexual condition instead of in terms of a violation of basic human rights.
    It’s almost as if the CDF could see 22 years into the future.
You shouldn’t arbitrarily fire anybody, no matter who they prefer to sleep with or whichever of the 58 distinct gender identities they choose on Facebook. However, that prospective former employee also should not be able to hide behind a “sexual preference” if he/she is fired for some breach of policy or poor performance.

(Oh, and by the way, Target is a very “gay friendly” place…)
 
It is WRONG to fire someone for failing to live up to teachings of scripture and the catholic church with respect to sexual morality. A possible exception to this would be if someone is sexually harassing others in the workplace.

But otherwise, it’s wrong (civilly and morally) to fire someone just for being gay or having an affair or cohabitation w/o being married. We are ALL sinners.
 
It is WRONG to fire someone for failing to live up to teachings of scripture and the catholic church with respect to sexual morality. A possible exception to this would be if someone is sexually harassing others in the workplace.

But otherwise, it’s wrong (civilly and morally) to fire someone just for being gay or having an affair or cohabitation w/o being married. We are ALL sinners.
Not hiring and/or firing someone for their immoral behavior (sexual or otherwise) can be just, but it depends on what the behavior is and it’s affect on the position.
 
I’m Catholic, and I hired a gay person. He was the best candidate for the job, and he has exceeded our expectations.

I know very little about his personal life, and in any case it has essentially no bearing on his job.
 
Why is it wrong though. My own priest says the gay lobby controls the media and that all this anti gay stuff is just the media being a bunch of crybabies. Why not just go work for a gay friendly company. There’s plenty of them.
It’s wrong because you would be treating another human being unjustly. Firing someone for cause is one thing; firing someone because you don’t like something about that person’s life that doesn’t bear on the job is another.

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There are areas in which the Church counsels that it would not be an act of injustice not to employ an homosexual in

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19920724_homosexual-persons_en.html
Yes, but usually these positions are in areas (Catholic school teachers, for example) where the wording is already in the contract for obvious reasons. For your average employer, it would almost certainly be unjust to fire someone for being actively gay.
 
Yes, but usually these positions are in areas (Catholic school teachers, for example) where the wording is already in the contract for obvious reasons. For your average employer, it would almost certainly be unjust to fire someone for being actively gay.
The quote didn’t say Catholic *School *teachers…it said teachers, in general.
 
Let’s say that you are an HR manager and you find out that an employee of yours is Catholic. Is it morally alright to fire them just for being Catholic, even though the job is not one that promotes Catholic lifestyle and the company isn’t gay-owned?
You hit the nail on the head here. This isn’t as simple as firing or refusing to hire people whom you consider to be morally apprehensive or sinful. It sets the wrong precedent and opens to door towards discrimination.

And while you may end up feeling morally justified for firing homosexuals just for being homosexuals, another HR manager will feel morally justified for firing Catholics just for being Catholics. Where is the fairness in that?
 
For example, lets say your an HR manager for a Target and you find out an employee of yours is gay. Is it morally alright to fire them just for being gay, even though the job is not one that promotes the gay lifestyle and the company isn’t catholic. Would it be wrong to fire someone just for being gay if they work for a non-catholic entity? Obviously I know (and agree with ) that Catholic institutions shouldn’t have gays working for them. But what about just a regular old business like target in my example
This is a pretty straight forward Human Resource question. Title VII of the equal protection act was passed in the sixties which protects people against discrimination in the workplace against being fired or not hired based on sex, race, religion, age, color. There was nothing stated about sexual orientation. However, in some states such as California they have added sexual orientation as a protected class. The only thing that matters when hiring someone is if they are qualified to do the job. If yes, they should have equal chance to get the job.
 
The quote didn’t say Catholic *School *teachers…it said teachers, in general.
A teacher in a public school makes no attempt to claim they are providing a Catholic role model for the students, and thus would not apply under the directive. They are not causing scandal (unless they are Catholics themselves).
 
A teacher in a public school makes no attempt to claim they are providing a Catholic role model for the students, and thus would not apply under the directive. They are not causing scandal (unless they are Catholics themselves).
There is the *potential *for scandal because any teacher is a role model for the children that are under the teacher’s care. Then, if the teacher advocates for homosexuality as being a morally neutral or morally beneficial choice in life. That can happen whether or not sexuality is a topic of any of the coursework.

For example, Miss Jones, a third grade teacher, has a picture of her “wife” on her desk in the classroom. One of her students, Susie, is at her desk getting help on a math problem, looks over at the picture and says, “Miss Jones, who’s that?” And a scandal is born.
 
There is the *potential *for scandal because any teacher is a role model for the children that are under the teacher’s care. Then, if the teacher advocates for homosexuality as being a morally neutral or morally beneficial choice in life. That can happen whether or not sexuality is a topic of any of the coursework.

For example, Miss Jones, a third grade teacher, has a picture of her “wife” on her desk in the classroom. One of her students, Susie, is at her desk getting help on a math problem, looks over at the picture and says, “Miss Jones, who’s that?” And a scandal is born.
Fair point, though no one advocates for homosexuality as morally “beneficial” to heterosexuality; that’s ridiculous. Morally neutral is an argument, but not beneficial.

However, as a public school principal, you are beholden to respect all faiths. If you don’t like having a relativist attitude (since, of course, we’re forbidden to hold such “every view is equal” charades), don’t become a public school principal and don’t send your kids there 🤷.

Personally, unless someone is in a role model position in a Catholic-specific organization, I see absolutely no just reason to fire them. Engendering a begrudging attitude towards the Church in an employee and every person that’s close to them is almost never justifiable, in my opinion.
 
For example, lets say your an HR manager for a Target and you find out an employee of yours is gay. Is it morally alright to fire them just for being gay, even though the job is not one that promotes the gay lifestyle and the company isn’t catholic. Would it be wrong to fire someone just for being gay if they work for a non-catholic entity? Obviously I know (and agree with ) that Catholic institutions shouldn’t have gays working for them. But what about just a regular old business like target in my example
Yes, it would be wrong.
 
Fair point, though no one advocates for homosexuality as morally “beneficial” to heterosexuality; that’s ridiculous. Morally neutral is an argument, but not beneficial.

However, as a public school principal, you are beholden to respect all faiths. If you don’t like having a relativist attitude (since, of course, we’re forbidden to hold such “every view is equal” charades), don’t become a public school principal and don’t send your kids there 🤷.

Personally, unless someone is in a role model position in a Catholic-specific organization, I see absolutely no just reason to fire them. Engendering a begrudging attitude towards the Church in an employee and every person that’s close to them is almost never justifiable, in my opinion.
Your response appears to rely upon the attitude that homosexual conduct is only morally objectionable on a purely ecclesiastical basis.

That isn’t the case. It is a violation of the natural law, which impacts all of society, not just a particular religious confession.
 
There is the *potential *for scandal because any teacher is a role model for the children that are under the teacher’s care. Then, if the teacher advocates for homosexuality as being a morally neutral or morally beneficial choice in life. That can happen whether or not sexuality is a topic of any of the coursework.

For example, Miss Jones, a third grade teacher, has a picture of her “wife” on her desk in the classroom. One of her students, Susie, is at her desk getting help on a math problem, looks over at the picture and says, “Miss Jones, who’s that?” And a scandal is born.
Why must it become a scandal? As the mother of five children, this is how it would play out in my home:

Susie goes home and asks her mother why Miss Jones has a wife? Mom says most men marry women, and women marry men, but sometimes men want to marry other men and sometimes women want to marry other women. Mom says our Faith teaches us this is not what God had in mind. Our Faith also teaches us that we should be more concerned with our own sin than with somebody else’s sin (splinter/log) so we aren’t going to judge, gossip or talk badly about Miss Jones. And finally, our Faith teaches us that we are all God’s children and above all, we are to love each other, so we are going to love Miss Jones.

Now eat your carrots.
 
Why must it become a scandal? As the mother of five children, this is how it would play out in my home:

Susie goes home and asks her mother why Miss Jones has a wife? Mom says most men marry women, and women marry men, but sometimes men want to marry other men and sometimes women want to marry other women. Mom says our Faith teaches us this is not what God had in mind. Our Faith also teaches us that we should be more concerned with our own sin than with somebody else’s sin (splinter/log) so we aren’t going to judge, gossip or talk badly about Miss Jones. And finally, our Faith teaches us that we are all God’s children and above all, we are to love each other, so we are going to love Miss Jones.

Now eat your carrots.
Awesome answer. 👍
 
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