Would liberals agree to ban access to abortions if conservatives agree to ban guns?

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Boccherini said:
Besides, gun control is not as important an issue for liberals as abortion is for conservatives.
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livingwordunity said:
That is simply not true. Did you see any of the 2012 presidential election campaign? All the Democrats talked about was a so-called “war on women” and how they were afraid that Romney would be a threat to Roe VS Wade. But Republicans wanted to talk about the economy.
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Boccherini said:
I wrote that gun control is not as important for liberals as abortion for conservatives (or for liberals).
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And I showed how what you said isn’t true. Liberals care just as much about abortion except that liberals are zealous for abortions instead of zealous against them.
 
livingwordunity said:
What’s hypocritical is they want to ban guns because they say it’s to prevent children from getting massacred in a classroom, but they have no problem with the mass killing of innocents as long as it’s while the child is in the womb and as long as it’s what the mother wanted. What makes abortion worse than what happened at Sandy Hook elementary is that mothers give their consent to the cold killing of their baby while the government tells them that it’s their right. It would be like if the mothers at an elementary school knew that a spree killer was coming to the school and they got in line to offer up their children to him.
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Well, you know as well as I do it’s not quite like that. Most often, the mothers are pressured into having an abortion, by either the father, his relatives, or her own relatives. So it’s not as if they skip happily into the abortion clinic with a clear conscience. But I know what you are hyperbolizing here. (Yes, I just made up that word. I’m qualified to do so, but kids, don’t attempt this at home.)

One other factor is that no one who wants more gun control is up in arms (pun intended) about the shootings in, say, Detroit or Chicago, or LA. I wonder why little white children being killed in a school get more attention from the left than black or brown kids in ghettos…being killed by guns.

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TheRealJuliane said:
Well, you know as well as I do it’s not quite like that. Most often, the mothers are pressured into having an abortion, by either the father, his relatives, or her own relatives. So it’s not as if they skip happily into the abortion clinic with a clear conscience. But I know what you are hyperbolizing here. (Yes, I just made up that word. I’m qualified to do so, but kids, don’t attempt this at home.)
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If they don’t think it’s something good why do they insist that it’s a right? It doesn’t make sense to say we should have a right to do something that will bring unhappiness.
TheRealJuliane said:
One other factor is that no one who wants more gun control is up in arms (pun intended) about the shootings in, say, Detroit or Chicago, or LA. I wonder why little white children being killed in a school get more attention from the left than black or brown kids in ghettos…being killed by guns.

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It’s interesting that there’s no talk of what to do about gangs who still access guns in these places that have such strict gun control laws.
 
meltzerboy said:
As a liberal, I would say yes, with the exceptions of the mother’s life, rape, incest, and certain extreme congenital diseases. The family, with the guidance of their pastor and doctor, should make the decision in these cases. This would be in accord with Jewish Law for the most part. But I wouldn’t want to ban all guns owned by all civilians, such as those used by hunters, collectors, or those who wish to protect their home and business; only military-assault weapons. And also to make sure the gun loopholes at gun shows are closed and that the current laws for access are strictly enforced. A national database including criminals and those mentally ill people who are dangerous would also be desirable, if it is not already in existence.
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Some of the ‘loophole’ at gun shows has been closed by some orgs., like the Washington Arms Collecters, that run the gun shows. The WAC does background checks on those who join and only members can buy or sell at WAC sponcsred gun shows. :)🙂
 
livingwordunity said:
Just a thought, but I think the answer liberals will give is “hell no!”. I think conservatives should offer this challenge publicly to the liberals to see what’s more important to liberals - gun control or their abortions.
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On Dec 14th 2012 3520 Babies of Our Lord were killed,** 20** by a person mentally ill, with a gun.** 3500** by mothers, Doctors, and supporters of killing babies, who do so knowing they are killing a human being, with medical devices. Who has sin greater?
 
twoshoes said:
On Dec 14th 2012 3520 Babies of Our Lord were killed,** 20** by a person mentally ill, with a gun.** 3500** by mothers, Doctors, and supporters of killing babies, who do so knowing they are killing a human being, with medical devices. Who has sin greater?
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Abortion is the greater sin because it is the mortal sin of the nation instead of the sin of just one man.
 
The “Gun Show Loophole” is a fallacy promoted by those who want to ban guns. Guns sold at gun shows have to have the same exact background checks as those at gun stores. It might be that some states allow private transfer of long guns without a check, but that would apply to private sales outside gun shows as well. Same goes for the Internet. Can’t legally transfer except through a dealer.

Those transferring illegally disregard the law in any case anyway so “closing loopholes” even if they were there wouldn’t resolve the situation.

Just thought you’d want to know.
 
Both conservative and liberals in the US are grade A hypocrites. Liberals want to kill the unborn, conservatives want to start wars and let the poor starve. What a choice. I do not think our Lord would be interested in either group.
 
Oh, if you want to make significant progress on violence in society, we need to bring the Bible and prayer back into schools. Laws have never stopped evil from rearing its head, but a Biblically literate society (such as that of the Founding Fathers) realizes God is sovereign and when evil makes itself known it is not the end of the world.

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Gun ownership is protected by the Constitution. Killing babies is not. Case closed.
 
livingwordunity said:
And I showed how what you said isn’t true. Liberals care just as much about abortion except that liberals are zealous for abortions instead of zealous against them.
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Read what I wrote. I wrote that gun control is not as important for liberals – not abortion.
 
Durnford said:
Both conservative and liberals in the US are grade A hypocrites. Liberals want to kill the unborn, conservatives want to start wars and let the poor starve. What a choice. I do not think our Lord would be interested in either group.
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If you go to mass daily, you will see a church of mostly older people, If you talk to them you will find they are mostly conservative, they have served in wars, and are no fan of creating new ones, and support the poor with money, and labor, and march at PPH saying the Rosary, It’s that way at My church, St. Martha’s.
 
livingwordunity said:
Just a thought, but I think the answer liberals will give is “hell no!”. I think conservatives should offer this challenge publicly to the liberals to see what’s more important to liberals - gun control or their abortions.
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This would be a heck of a balanced amendment to the Constitution.

Great idea. I think I’ve brought it up a few times.
 
Maybe you could meet in the middle, and employ the use of guns during abortion? 🤷

I don’t like the term liberal. It’s used to liberally. If I display one single idea that could be considered left, I’m suddenly a liberal, even though I lean right on certain issues. Even worse is when people claim that atheism is somehow liberal. That’s really annoying.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
Maybe you could meet in the middle, and employ the use of guns during abortion? 🤷

I don’t like the term liberal. It’s used to liberally. If I display one single idea that could be considered left, I’m suddenly a liberal, even though I lean right on certain issues. Even worse is when people claim that atheism is somehow liberal. That’s really annoying.
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What do you mean by your question?
 
Regular_Atheist said:
Maybe you could meet in the middle, and employ the use of guns during abortion? 🤷

I don’t like the term liberal. It’s used to liberally. If I display one single idea that could be considered left, I’m suddenly a liberal, even though I lean right on certain issues. Even worse is when people claim that atheism is somehow liberal. That’s really annoying.
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There’s no law saying you can’t be a conservation or a liberal at the same time. I don’t think that liberal or conservative is even a legal term. But it can be used quite derogatorily.
 
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