I don’t know if I would phrase it like that. I’m fascinated with some of the conversations here, and intrigued to know what is behind them.
Finding and conversing with a personal God will change you more than you ever know.I can’t do the fancy philosophical argumentations. It’s a bit like chemistry. My brain just doesn’t do chemistry. I could spend the next 10 years locked in a library and I would still not be able to tell you the first thing about chemistry.
Oh the irony of running a business where chemistry is losely connected to a particular process!!! But I just pay people that know now
Relative, subjective, objective - it’s all the same to me, because at the end of the day, I draw my ‘‘objectivity’’ from a deep sense of intrinsic pride, worth and value, family history, societal norms, community cohesion, love, work and co-operation. All the things that help us survive and grow and develop.
You draw it from the belief in the existence of some Deity.
For me, it makes no difference what so ever whatever you want to call it.
I know how much I love my husband, children and family, and how much they love me, and I know how well balanced, happy and healthy they are. I know how we fit into our local community, and the wider society. I know what I and they mean to others, and what others mean to us.
That knowledge won’t change one iota if someone proved beyond any doubt what so ever that there was a God.
It also won’t change one iota if someone proved beyond any doubt what to ever that there was not a God.
Sarah x
Right M,Well i suppose if there was going to be “nothing” forever…then what the heck eh. You wouldn’t know anything anyway. Everything might as well be null and void.
Live life now and don’t worry about the morrow, for who gives a hoot attitude.
This is a great forum. I’ve been accepted and welcomed and encouraged to get involved in conversations and people have been incredibly nice to me.
Fantastic. Being open to truth is essential.I don’t know if I would phrase it like that. I’m fascinated with some of the conversations here, and intrigued to know what is behind them.
I am always open to talking with people and learning.
I think some things are beyond me, and always will be.
Like this philosophy stuff
I just know what I know
Sarah x
not for long…and then nothing, nadaMy answer is yes.
I have no gods in my life, and yet I find my life full of love, happiness and meaning.
Sarah x
You may not ultimately gain anything, but the world does, presuming you contribute something to it. Like great authors, greater entertainers, and scholars, to name a few - their contributions live on after them.
Well, I’m hoping to get at least 85 years out of it
You should think - we’ve learned that selfish, self centered behavior is bad for the species. We developed into co-operative societies to better ensure our survival, and as our language and expression developed, so did our ability to communicate not just directly but through music and writings and art and poetry. It’s what make us, us. We’re programed for our survival and we have the ability to understand the world and express it in ways unimaginable to our forefathers.
Did you eat, drink, learn new and fascinating things, make love, have children, give birth (if appropriate!) learn to drive, fly, command a sub, write a story, paint a picture, watch the sun rise or set, walk the dogs in the first snows of winter, lit a fire, fished, got wasted with friends, felt the very first touch of your newborn, knowing it was the first time they’d felt human skin, smelt your newborn after their first wash, heard them laugh for the first time, watched a great ball game, walked in the rain … anything like that?
Oh boy.
So your reality is entirely subjectively based on whether you can remember something or not.
You should see the movie “Memento” (or read a summary of it). It’s all about a guy that can’t remember.
Read the summary - skip the movie. It’s not that good.
not that it didn’t happen. i mean,if your dead your life happened but so what . your nothing now. meaningless.So your reality is entirely subjectively based on whether you can remember something or not.
If you can’t remember it, it didnt happen.
I hope it never ever happens, but should you get dementia, and can’t even remember your name, then you don’t exist.
The objective evidence of your existense is irrelevant, because, you can’t remember, and according to you, if you can’t remember, it didn’t happen.
If you can’t remember your mom training you to use a knife and fork, you can’t say you’ve got objective evidence for it, because your dementia prevents you from remembering how to. And your mom may have dementia and not remember teaching you. So if she doesnt remember teaching you, and you dont remember learning, then, it never happened! Despite the fact you could have been using a knife and fork for 70 years!!!
Can you see how flawed that is???
What if you forgot there was a God, or in your dementia, forgot you had a faith and couldnt remember anything about it? Would you say your faith and God don’t exist, because you don’t remember them?
Sarah x
(definately switching off this time - good night all)
Yes, but who cares? Many people think it would be great not to exist. Perhaps secretly, we all do. Schopenhauer: “Non-existence is better than any form existence.”
