Would Mary appear in a water stain under freeway?

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Thank you Beverly30 I will get that book as well as the one recommended by Chris Wa. Your beliefs are becoming more and more clear to me and it is easier to understand now why Mary holds such importance in Catholic beliefs.
I appreciate all who wrote in this thread to explain all the different impressions of Mary. Thanks for letting me know that the water stain was in Illinois, can you imagine it made the National news?
👍 BJ
 
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geezerbob:
Last Christmas we had a lot of local publicity concerning the appearance of an angel at a rural church. It was a combination of the shape of a tree and the shadows made by the floodlights. I did not attribute anything supernatural to this “apparition”. Some things are purely happenstance. Remember looking at clouds when you were a kid and trying to see objects in them? Same thing for faces in cheese and oil stains.
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I agree but I do think think that the Devil uses things like Mary appearing in a water stain under the Kennedy Express to make us look like we’re nuts. Just when all eyes are on the Catholic Church and our new Pope he’s going to toss out an appearance of Mary so everyone can roll their eyes and say, “Yep… those nutty Catholics, oh brother!” Not to say that Mary hasn’t actually appeared in the past - but have you seen the pictures… it seriously look like a water stain right next to the graffiti about the CUBS.
 
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Chris-WA:
That is incorrect. Mary was the first Christian because she was the first follower of Christ. The “Christian era” has nothing to do with it.
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Yes, she was the first follower of Christ, but I don’t know if I would say Christian though. Christian was a term that came after Christ.
 
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mommy:
http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0419/4395229_200X150.jpg

I don’t know I’d like a better picture, but this was the best I could find
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To all who don’t like to believe in this sort of thing… There is really nothing wrong with others believing that she looks as though she is praying for us, or asking us to pray- is there? And either one of those actions wouldn’t be a bad thing whether this is supernatural or not, so why not pray?
 
carol marie:
“Yep… those nutty Catholics, oh brother!” .
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would that really bother you? if some people you didn’t know thought you were nutty, for being open to God’s messages that He may be trying to send us? i say be open, have the eyes of a child when it comes to your faith.
 
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beverly30:
would that really bother you? if some people you didn’t know thought you were nutty, for being open to God’s messages that He may be trying to send us? i say be open, have the eyes of a child when it comes to your faith.
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I’m not one of the “pilgrims” making my way down to the underpass to kiss the salt figure & light a candle so it doesn’t bother me in the least when they’re looked at as kooky because honestly I agree. I think it’s a diversion of the Devil. The Catholic Church has had such a positive effect on people these past few weeks, with the passing of our beloved Pope & now the excitement over the new Pope - it’s been wonderful… I’m sure the Devil is beside himself. Now the focus can be taken off the Pope & instead people are talking about the Mary next to the GO CUBS graffiti. God has given us His Church. He has given us His Holy Word. He gives us faithful servents. That’s enough for me. I don’t need a salt figure on an underpass to bolster up my faith. And I’m bothered that the devotion to the “salt figure” might cause someone considering the Catholic Faith to stumble.
 
carol marie:
. God has given us His Church. He has given us His Holy Word. He gives us faithful servents. That’s enough for me. I don’t need a salt figure on an underpass to bolster up my faith. .
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I think it’s wonderful that you didn’t need this to happen to believe, as many other people on this forum did not need this to happen in order to believe and know the right path. But look at it from a different view point. Maybe these people did? If it causes someone to stumble while considering the Catholic faith, maybe it’s because they still have some sole searching to do. Seeing all of these people believing and maybe for the first time in a while for some of them really thinking about the importance of prayer in their life to me is a good thing.
 
carol marie:
I agree but I do think think that the Devil uses things …
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I agree that the devil can play a hand in apparitions for he has the full powers of an angel. And yet, if our response is to pray, this is where good comes from evil. I Love it when God again wins the battle! 🙂

We do need to keep in mind your warning if we are the direct recipients of any divine communication. As another poster above has stated, if it’s contradictory to known Truth, it didn’t come from God.

This is another reason to be glad for the Catholic Church. We have a series of resources to allow us to definitively know Truth from the lie.

Just my humble ramblings,

CARose
 
I’m skeptical of each and every one of these types of things. The last one I saw was an image of the virgin Mary in an old grilled-cheese sandwich (on eBay). How preposterous.

Guys… it’s a stain on a freeway underpass… Yeeks. I think that if God wanted to send Mary down to give us a message, he might very well choose a more fitting medium upon which to project her image.

While I won’t come right out and say that it’s fake – after all, what do I know about the universe? – I won’t say it’s real, either. Same goes for every apparition, image and bleeding statue of the Virgin that ever was or will be.

That being said, if it strengthens someone’s faith, so be it. However, realize that this kind of thing makes Catholics look idiotic.

-Michael
 
Granted this is a blurred, imprint in a seemingly unimportant place… but we don’t know the future, there might be some significance to why it appeared at this time in that spot, or it might simply be a freak of nature that it looks like Mary and have no importance whatsoever. There are always two choices in everything. Every choice however has a consequence to it. My concern is how so many people are so ready to downplay and doubt. Sometimes I think it wouldn’t make a difference if Mary, Jesus, or God himself appeared to every living person on this earth. Because until we were told by someone else that it is true, it seems the majority of people wouldn’t believe it. In many cases even after we are told it is true, people still won’t believe.

It’s wise to take everything back to the bible, and Jesus, so we know that we are not being decieved by the devil- but what many are saying here is just down right making fun of what happened.
 
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beverly30:
Granted this is a blurred, imprint in a seemingly unimportant place… but we don’t know the future, there might be some significance to why it appeared at this time in that spot, or it might simply be a freak of nature that it looks like Mary and have no importance whatsoever. There are always two choices in everything. Every choice however has a consequence to it. My concern is how so many people are so ready to downplay and doubt. Sometimes I think it wouldn’t make a difference if Mary, Jesus, or God himself appeared to every living person on this earth. Because until we were told by someone else that it is true, it seems the majority of people wouldn’t believe it. In many cases even after we are told it is true, people still won’t believe.

It’s wise to take everything back to the bible, and Jesus, so we know that we are not being decieved by the devil- but what many are saying here is just down right making fun of what happened.
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Beverly,
But where do you draw the line? Is the Mary on the cheese sandwich authentic? Is the Jesus on the tortilla real? Until the Church validates the “salt stain” I’m not going to give it a second thought. And if the Church says it’s truly Mary, I will be the first to say that I was wrong.
 
carol marie:
Beverly,
But where do you draw the line? Is the Mary on the cheese sandwich authentic? Is the Jesus on the tortilla real? Until the Church validates the “salt stain” I’m not going to give it a second thought. And if the Church says it’s truly Mary, I will be the first to say that I was wrong.
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I think… that you judge something by its fruits. The cheese sandwich/tortilla were sold on ebay I think. I don’t think that is something that God would see as fruitful, but obviously I don’t know for sure. Nobody started praying from that, they found it humorous and laughed, and possibly somebody made money from the whole think (I’m not for sure, I never followed any of it)

I very much believe that the people in New York City that saw the Virgin Mary crying in a tree on Wall Street were seeing a sign of what was to come. It made news, just like this. I have no idea if anyone even gave it a second thought. But I believe that happened as a warning. I also think people should heed what this seems to show…pray, pray, pray. I think it’s O.K. to believe in your heart these things as long as they don’t contradict with the bible or what Jesus taught. But those are just my thoughts obviously.

I can also see your viewpoint, and how you want to be cautious and wait for church approval.
 
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beverly30:
I think… that you judge something by its fruits. The cheese sandwich/tortilla were sold on ebay I think. I don’t think that is something that God would see as fruitful, but obviously I don’t know for sure. Nobody started praying from that, they found it humorous and laughed, and possibly somebody made money from the whole think (I’m not for sure, I never followed any of it)

I very much believe that the people in New York City that saw the Virgin Mary crying in a tree on Wall Street were seeing a sign of what was to come. It made news, just like this. I have no idea if anyone even gave it a second thought. But I believe that happened as a warning. I also think people should heed what this seems to show…pray, pray, pray. I think it’s O.K. to believe in your heart these things as long as they don’t contradict with the bible or what Jesus taught. But those are just my thoughts obviously.

I can also see your viewpoint, and how you want to be cautious and wait for church approval.
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Beverly,
I see your viewpoint as well. And you are right… if the Mary sightings makes someone pray more that is a very good thing.

You and I can obviously look at this from two different points - neither of us being right or wrong. I’m just happy that we can agree to disagree nicely. Mary would be pleased. 🙂
Peace to you,
CM
 
I’m not sure but it makes no difference in my faith one way or the other.
Regarding the fact that it is a stain on a freeway underpass, remember, The Holy Mother appeared to St. Bernadette in a garbage dump.
 
Alot of catholic need to be careful they dont start worshiping mary. some catholics almost put mary on christs level which is somewhat scary to ponder. there’s many catholics who are so caught up in visions of mary, prophecies by mary, crying statues of mary that they start worshiping the sites , and icons and even mary herself over God.

thats a serious and grave sin that can damn a soul to hell. we need to be very careful lest we fall.
 
If we use our imaginations we can see pictures not only in water stains, but also in clouds, wood paneling, tree bark, ivy growing on a wall, etc.

There is nothing miraculous about any of this.
 
carol marie:
Beverly,
I see your viewpoint as well. And you are right… if the Mary sightings makes someone pray more that is a very good thing.

You and I can obviously look at this from two different points - neither of us being right or wrong. I’m just happy that we can agree to disagree nicely. Mary would be pleased. 🙂
Peace to you,
CM
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On camera, it looks similar to Our Lady of Guadelupe from a distance, but when the camera gets up close it looks like a run of the mill water stain. People can interpret it as they wish, it would take some serious miracles for the Catholic Church to declare it authentic. Caution is in order, but if a simple water stain causes people to pray more, to be called to a more holy life, to give up sin, and inspires them to look for all the ordinary miracles in life, I’ll take that. We all have everyday miracles, if we could only open our hearts to them. Life itself is a miracle. Protestants, please don’t get it wrong, the excited people on tv aren’t worshiping a water stain that looks like Mary.

As for the authenticated apparitions, remember that Our Lady has always appeared to simple, usually somewhat uneducated, ordinary, but Godly, people, and the message she shares is always centered on being closer to Jesus. Would God allow her to appear under a freeway? I would say its a likely place, considering all the other humble places she has appeared. Anything that brings people authentically closer to Jesus is ok by me, but I’m not making the trip to Chicago. I look at the simple miracle of a flower opening up in my garden and I feel closer to God. We all have everyday miracles in our lives. Our God is an awesome God.

Waterstain? Miraculous? It will probably be one of those things that just makes Catholics look crazy to the rest of the world, but that’s ok.🙂
 
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