Would The Bush Haters Please Interpret This Statement By The Pope

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"…I also continue to follow with great appreciation your commitment to the promotion of moral values in American society, particularly with regard to respect for life and the family.

A fuller and deeper understanding between the United States of America and Europe will surely play a decisive role in resolving the great problems which I have mentioned, as well as so many others confronted by humanity today. May your visit, Mr. President, give new and powerful impetus to such cooperation.

Mr. President, as you carry out your lofty mission of service to your nation and to world peace, I assure you of my prayers and cordially invoke upon you God’s blessings of wisdom, strength and peace.

May God bestow peace and freedom upon all mankind!"

JPII June 2004
 
I would have thought it was fairly obvious- the Holy Father was trying to empart the great responsibility the office of President of the United States of America holds.
 
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jlw:
…unless we are killing terrorists who blow women and children.
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I emphatically disagree.
 
Ltcatholic said:
*"*Mr. President, as you carry out your lofty mission of service to your nation and to world peace, I assure you of my prayers and cordially invoke upon you God’s blessings of wisdom, strength and peace.
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Is this any more than a diplomatic and cordial ending to a letter to the leader of a great nation?

I can see him say the same to any Western leader of good will.

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Richardols:
Is this any more than a diplomatic and cordial ending to a letter to the leader of a great nation?

I can see him say the same to any Western leader of good will.

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True enough, but it is significant to note that President Bush IS a leader of good will, even when he disagreed with the pope. JPII recognized this and said so.
 
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Della:
True enough, but it is significant to note that President Bush IS a leader of good will, even when he disagreed with the pope. JPII recognized this and said so.
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Yes, no denying that, nor that most European leaders are also men of good will.
 
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FightingFat:
I emphatically disagree.
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Nothing like a good “talkin’ too” to get a bunch of bomb-laden terrorists to leave a school bus after he’s boarded.
 
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Richardols:
Yes, no denying that, nor that most European leaders are also men of good will.
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I dunno Richard. My understanding of Chirac is that he’s incredibly corrupt and that only his position has prevented his indictment. I do believe Tony Blair is a man of goodwill, not simply because he stood beside the US in the Iraq war but because he does not seem to be a smarmy, sleaze like some of the European leaders. I have some serious reservations about Putin as well based on what I’ve heard about his interference in the recent Ukraine elections among other things. And what is going on in Holland? Who is leading that modern day Sodom?

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Lisa N:
I dunno Richard. My understanding of Chirac is that he’s incredibly corrupt and that only his position has prevented his indictment.
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Does a man of good will, in a diplomatic sense, have to be personally incorrupt? Would you think the Pope would not encourage Chirac in a letter to him to carry out a mission of service to his nation and to world peace? The Pope is also a diplomat and I wouldn’t doubt that he would use similar wording even to a dictator as the phrase “service to nation and to world peace” is relatively neutral.
I have some serious reservations about Putin as well based on what I’ve heard about his interference in the recent Ukraine elections among other things.
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Yes, there are more than a few indications that he’s cracking down on democracy in Russia.
 
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Richardols:
Does a man of good will, in a diplomatic sense, have to be personally incorrupt? .
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Chirac backstabbed Colin Powell at the UN. I would hardly call him a man of good will in a diplomatic sense.
 
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Richardols:
Yes, no denying that, nor that most European leaders are also men of good will.
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Here we part company. One of the things that even the enemies of Bush have to admit is that what you see is what you get. GWB, like him or loathe him, is a man of his word. What European leader besides Tony Blair (who is a bit more finessed) can be said to be as straightforward and plainspoken as GWB? Who have no hidden agendas behind their words? I can’t think of one.
 
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jlw:
Nothing like a good “talkin’ too” to get a bunch of bomb-laden terrorists to leave a school bus after he’s boarded.
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The only thing achieved by this post is the level of your ignorance jlw!
 
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Della:
Here we part company. One of the things that even the enemies of Bush have to admit is that what you see is what you get. GWB, like him or loathe him, is a man of his word. What European leader besides Tony Blair (who is a bit more finessed) can be said to be as straightforward and plainspoken as GWB? Who have no hidden agendas behind their words? I can’t think of one.
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Not one? What do you have against PMs Belka of Poland, Balkenende of Holland, or Gyurecsany of Hungary? I don’t have anything against them, and so you and I do, in fact, part company.
 
BTW, LtCatholic, why did you expect some sort of Bush haters to respond to your post? I notice that all on the thread responded politely with no malice, to an innocuous statement by the Pope.
 
Richardols said:
Not one? What do you have against PMs Belka of Poland, Balkenende of Holland, or Gyurecsany of Hungary? I don’t have anything against them, and so you and I do, in fact, part company.
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I’m not up on all of the leaders of Europe, it’s true, and so defer to your judgments about these people. However, I would point out that Holland is allowing forced “mercy killing”. Whether or not their leader is “in on it” or not, I hardly think that country is worthy of emulation. Poland and Hungary are still too weak to be power brokers, but France and Germany certainly are strong enough. I have no confidence in the leaders of either of those countries with their hands in the pockets of Middle Eastern dictators.
 
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Della:
I’m not up on all of the leaders of Europe, it’s true, and so defer to your judgments about these people. However, I would point out that Holland is allowing forced “mercy killing”. Whether or not their leader is “in on it” or not, I hardly think that country is worthy of emulation. Poland and Hungary are still too weak to be power brokers, but France and Germany certainly are strong enough. I have no confidence in the leaders of either of those countries with their hands in the pockets of Middle Eastern dictators.
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You said you didn’t know a single leader who didn’t have a hidden agenda.

I’m starting to think that you are right. Even Bush has agenda he’s not sharing with America.
 
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Richardols:
Even Bush has agenda he’s not sharing with America.
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I don’t think so. The thing many Europeans find frustrating about Pres. Bush is his candor. That’s one of the reasons they call him a cowboy.

I can’t think of anything he has ‘sprung’ on the nation or the world without dropping hints about it months earlier.

Europeans are not the only ones surprised by Pres. Bush.
 
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FightingFat:
The only thing achieved by this post is the level of your ignorance jlw!
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And while your principled stand against violence is admirable, your view of reality is not.
 
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