Would the Church baptize aliens if they come to Earth?

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john330 said:
There are ufos. We built them. They are test aircraft built by the Air Force. The black budget is a portion of our govt.'s budget that is spent on military research and discovery. The black budget is not itemized. While the specifics of how money is spent is not detailed in the black budget, the black budget itself is not a secret. Don’t get too excited.
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UFOs sightings have been happening since the early part of the 1900s, but there are also many strange reports going as far back as the 1500s, so whatever these things are, they have been around for a very long time and suggests they had technology before we even had aircraft.

With modern day UFOs, it is my opinion if they were truly secret military or govt craft, this would mean, they have found much better propulsion systems decades ago, as these UFOs can stop instantly in mid air, dart off at incredible speeds, so fast it appears they actually disappear!!! Im sorry, but I believe if ANY govt or military had technology like this, why would they be still using brute force for the space shuttle and other high tech fighter planes they build today? Seems to me, they would be putting this technology to use in lots of areas.

Plus it raises the question of how long can something be considered experimental? People have seeing black triangles going back to the 1900s, so again, if our govt/military had this type of technology this far back, why would they still be kept secret…0ver 50-100 yrs later?

The ONLY reason I could think of to explain the above (if true), would be if they had secretly found some extremely cheap form of energy/fuel, and letting it out to the general public would simply ruin the economy, as they depend on alot of industries related to basic fossil fuels, car manufacturers, etc. this could be possible.
 
Wow. Turn off the history channel. You are actually starting to believe them!
 
3DOCTORS said:
Guess I’m the exception then! :curtsey: I am a faithful cradle Catholic who is curious, but I don’t let it consume me.
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Oh, please don’t misunderstand. I was making no statement whatsoever about Believers accepting that there may be intelligent life outside of our planet, without any evidence for this.

I was making a statement regarding atheists and skeptics who believe, without any evidence for this.
If you want to read a funny book about the UFO phenomenon and government conspiracies, check out Christopher Buckley’s Little Green Men (parental discretion advised - some language and sexual content) but it’s a funny political and social satire. 😃 He is the author of Thank You For Smoking and other satires as well. Sorry, I’m digressing again.
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I do enjoy me some Christopher Buckley. 👍
 
GEddie said:
Philosophical ramifications aren’t worth the breath they consume in the neurons of our heads.
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So why are you still responding? :confused:
GEddie said:
Physical or human ramifications are scary indeed; we would need to build orbiting battle stations at once, in case those aliens turn out to have a yen for vivisection specimens or slaves.
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Why on earth would anyone travel light years for those, given the relative technological ease of alternatives such as building robots?
 
DrTaffy said:
Your confusion confuses me. What did I say that was incompatible with atheism?
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I don’t understand:

Is your paradigm: “I don’t believe because there is no evidence.”

OR

“Why shouldn’t we consider the possibility of their existence, even if there is no evidence?”
 
DrTaffy said:
Why on earth would anyone travel light years for those, given the relative technological ease of alternatives such as building robots?
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Maybe the pizza on their planet isn’t all it is supposed to be. Ya know, no anchovies or something…:eek:

Did anyone find out where Martin the Martian gets his pizza?

Glenda
 
john330 said:
Wow. Turn off the history channel. You are actually starting to believe them!
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I dont get my information from the history channel, or any tv show for that matter. When I want information about such topics, I look up official reports and quotes from high level individuals. I also turn to documents released from FOIA requests, there is a wealth of accurate information here!

If there was truly nothing to this UFO/alien issue, then I find it hard to believe there would be literally 10s of thousands of official documents talking about them, and these documents come DIRECTLY from FOIA, so I know they are legit, and one has to really wonder what info is included in the FOIA UFO/alien documents that are not authorized to be released!!
 
mikekle said:
I dont get my information from the history channel, or any tv show for that matter. When I want information about such topics, I look up official reports and quotes from high level individuals. I also turn to documents released from FOIA requests, there is a wealth of accurate information here!

If there was truly nothing to this UFO/alien issue, then I find it hard to believe there would be literally 10s of thousands of official documents talking about them, and these documents come DIRECTLY from FOIA, so I know they are legit, and one has to really wonder what info is included in the FOIA UFO/alien documents that are not authorized to be released!!
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I asked you this before, mike–could you please address this: what about other nations’ reports and documents? Surely every single nation doesn’t have an interest in keeping these documents “secret”? Do you have any of their reports that you could offer as evidence?
 
mikekle said:
I dont get my information from the history channel, or any tv show for that matter. When I want information about such topics, I look up official reports and quotes from high level individuals. I also turn to documents released from FOIA requests, there is a wealth of accurate information here!

If there was truly nothing to this UFO/alien issue, then I find it hard to believe there would be literally 10s of thousands of official documents talking about them, and these documents come DIRECTLY from FOIA, so I know they are legit, and one has to really wonder what info is included in the FOIA UFO/alien documents that are not authorized to be released!!
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Please elaborate. I have scanned files online pertaining to ufos and have not seen anything indicative of aliens.
 
PRmerger said:
I don’t understand:

Is your paradigm: “I don’t believe because there is no evidence.”

OR

“Why shouldn’t we consider the possibility of their existence, even if there is no evidence?”
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Both (close enough) - after all why would I be at all interested in Catholic beliefs if I were not willing to consider the implications of something even in the absence of proof that it was true?
 
DrTaffy said:
Both (close enough) - after all why would I be at all interested in Catholic beliefs if I were not willing to consider the implications of something even in the absence of proof that it was true?
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How can you prove you are rational? It is possible we only imagine we are capable of proving anything - in which case one belief is as valueless as another!

In other words where did our power of reason come from? Random combinations of molecules?
 
DrTaffy said:
Both (close enough) - after all why would I be at all interested in Catholic beliefs if I were not willing to consider the implications of something even in the absence of proof that it was true?
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So you apply the former to theological assertions and the latter to all other matters?

Why the inconsistency?
 
LibralAteoJesus said:
Even if they requested it, wouldn’t then the baptism be irrelevant since the son of God came only to humans?
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Whose to say He didn’t come to other people He created on other planets in some other way? If He did create other people, human or non-human, He wouldn’t abandon them.
As to whether they would even need baptism, we can only speculate.
Who knows? Perhaps God created other people on some other planet and tested them as He did Adam and Eve, but maybe they passed the test, and their race never fell into suffering and sin. Maybe He even created other humans.
 
Protestor said:
This is a non-issue because if there is life on other planets the life on those planets would probably not be intelligent. They would never be able to travel here before this planet is engulfed by our own sun. That is assuming that you could fuel it the 4.25 lightyear distance.
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Why do you assume they would not be intelligent? For all we know, they are eons ahead of us technology wise and much smarter than us.
 
LoveGod102 said:
Why do you assume they would not be intelligent? For all we know, they are eons ahead of us technology wise and much smarter than us.
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Well, for where we are, we’re not too shabby - this is just a planning group being organized

space.com/11200-nasa-100-year-starship-interstellar-travel.html

but there are people in legitimate places such as NASA seriously considering these matters

nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/scales.html

There’s a minimum range of time for the right kind of star and planetary system to form, for life’s building blocks to arise on it and then get to the point comparable to single-celled organisms then multicellular, and then to animals and so on.

An intelligent race eventually capable of spaceflight would obviously first need to develop to the point of being tool-using, then technological. Depending on how physically nimble they are, how large their “brains” are, what their society is like and how cooperatively they work together, they might be far ahead of us, at the same level, or still up-and-coming.

We may be the first. We may be the only. Or not. We may never know. Some feel it’s a waste of time to speculate about such things; others, like yours truly, find it fascinating even if it only yields better science fiction.

Once again I must point out that the odds of the nearest star, the one mentioned that’s the closest, 4-something light years away, being the one from which another civilization would visit us are probably higher than the odds of some other star system further away being the special one. So the aliens would have to come from a place more than 4 lightyears + change. Maybe 8 ly, or 22, or 135, or ??? Or we would have to go one of those distances to meet them. Unless they’ve colonized the Centauri system or set up an outpost there.

Exoplanets are being discovered, and through spectral analysis it’s going to become more and more possible to learn if they have the chemical elements life needs, and even the “signatures” that life is present upon them.
 
GEddie said:
Philosophical ramifications aren’t worth the breath they consume in the neurons of our heads.

Physical or human ramifications are scary indeed; we would need to build orbiting battle stations at once, in case those aliens turn out to have a yen for vivisection specimens or slaves.

ICXC NIKA
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Then why are you even bothering to read and respond to this thread?
If you don’t think the possibility of Aliens is interesting and worth discussing, then that’s fine, but don’t insult those who do.
 
DrTaffy said:
Your confusion confuses me. What did I say that was incompatible with atheism?
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Well many atheists tend to not believe in God because his existence can’t be proven. For those who don’t believe for lack of proof, then why would you believe in aliens, when their existence can’t be proven?
 
LoveGod102 said:
Well many atheists tend to not believe in God because his existence can’t be proven. For those who don’t believe for lack of proof, then why would you believe in aliens, when their existence can’t be proven?
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Egg-zactly!! 👍
 
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