Would you accept Holy Eucharist via intinction from an EMHC?

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Brendan said:
Intinction?

First, because it has the deepest symbolism. We recieve Christ’s Glorified Body and Blood in each species. Christ is alive, His blood is not seperated from His Body as it was in death.

Recieving the Eucharist intincted provides the deepest symbolic representation of that Mystery.

Secondly, it the method of offering both species that is Universally permitted, every sui juris Church, every location, every diocese.

The same is not true for the faithful recieving from the chalice.

Thirdly, it involves fewer ministers. In my parish, the Eucharist is presented by the priest and the deacon intincted. No EMHC’s are needed and the faithful recieve both species.
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That wouldn’t work at our church. We have 10 Masses on Sundays as roughly 11,000 people attend Mass each Sunday (about 80% of the parish). Impossible for the priest alone to handle that number and still have 10 Masses. EMHC’s are necessary.
 
My view is that EMHCs are permitted to give communion by intinction. There is no official documentation I am aware of to support Cardinal Arinze’s assertion that only ordained ministers can do this. He responded as part of a Question and Answer session, requiring him to give an answer on the spot. So it is not the same as a liturgical book. I think there are significant advantages in intinction and think it would be unfortunate to restrict it to only ordained ministers.
 
How exactly does intinction get done? you say that it would lower the number of EMHCs needed, but I cant picture in my head how one person can handle the Chalice and the Host
 
SenorSalsa said:
How exactly does intinction get done? you say that it would lower the number of EMHCs needed, but I cant picture in my head how one person can handle the Chalice and the Host
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There is a special kind of cup for doing intinction, called an “intinction chalice.” I couldn’t find a picture of it on the Internet for you, sorry.
 
John_Lilburne said:
My view is that EMHCs are permitted to give communion by intinction. There is no official documentation I am aware of to support Cardinal Arinze’s assertion that only ordained ministers can do this. He responded as part of a Question and Answer session, requiring him to give an answer on the spot. So it is not the same as a liturgical book. I think there are significant advantages in intinction and think it would be unfortunate to restrict it to only ordained ministers.
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However, I would suspect that Cardinal Arinze didn’t pull that answer out of the clear blue sky, either. Remember, John, he is, after all, the Prefect for the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments and may have more resources to pull from, more than you and I have. He is also a very astute man so I believe that he didn’t just invent this statement.

My view is that he may very well be correct on this one.
 
John_Lilburne said:
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I find this paragraph a little ambiguous, but I will offer it for you to consider what it means. I’m guessing this is the sort of thing people may have in mind. Perhaps someone else has a better guess. I added the coloring.
[103.] The norms of the Roman Missal admit the principle that in cases where Communion is administered under both kinds, “the Blood of the Lord may be received either by drinking from the chalice directly, or by intinction, or by means of a tube or a spoon”. As regards the administering of Communion to lay members of Christ’s faithful, the Bishops may exclude Communion with the tube or the spoon where this is not the local custom, though the option of administering Communion by intinction always remains. If this modality is employed, however, hosts should be used which are neither too thin nor too small, and the communicant should receive the Sacrament from the Priest only on the tongue.
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From Redemptionis Sacramentum
 
Brendan said:
Intinction?

First, because it has the deepest symbolism. We recieve Christ’s Glorified Body and Blood in each species. Christ is alive, His blood is not seperated from His Body as it was in death.

Recieving the Eucharist intincted provides the deepest symbolic representation of that Mystery.

Secondly, it the method of offering both species that is Universally permitted, every sui juris Church, every location, every diocese.

The same is not true for the faithful recieving from the chalice.

Thirdly, it involves fewer ministers. In my parish, the Eucharist is presented by the priest and the deacon intincted. No EMHC’s are needed and the faithful recieve both species.
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The Church has never suggest that intinction provides the deepest symbolic representation of that Mystery.
 
Could somebody explain what “accepting Eucharist via intinction” is?

Thanks!
 
Brendan said:
That is correct.

Cardinal Arinze noted that only priests or deacons may intinct.

adoremus.org/1003Arinze.html

As this is a directive from the CDWDS and the CDWDS is the legislative authority, it is not something a bishop may dispense with on his own, he must recive permission to do so from the CDWDS.
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I scanned this webpage and could not find where it limited distribution of communion by intinction to only the ordained. Could you please point it out to me?

Yes, it does mention that only those CELEBRATING and CONCELEBRATING the Mass TAKE Holy Communion, but I don’t see where intinction is limited to the ordained.

Is this more legend than Church directive?
 
water said:
Could somebody explain what “accepting Eucharist via intinction” is?

Thanks!
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The term “intinction” in this case means that what appears to be bread has been dipped into what appears to be wine, so that they have been joined together into one substance, before being received by the communicant.

Only the priest is allowed to do this kind of dipping, as far as I am aware.

“Self-intinction” is an abuse of the Sacrament in which a communicant receives the Host from one minister, then brings it over to the Chalice and dips it into the chalice before consuming it.
 
It doesn’t appear that distributing communion via intinction is limited to the ordained – at least based on those comments reported by Adoremus.
 
Praxis said:
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That is correct.

Cardinal Arinze noted that only priests or deacons may intinct.

adoremus.org/1003Arinze.html

As this is a directive from the CDWDS and the CDWDS is the legislative authority, it is not something a bishop may dispense with on his own, he must recive permission to do so from the CDWDS.
I scanned this webpage and could not find where it limited distribution of communion by intinction to only the ordained. Could you please point it out to me?

Yes, it does mention that only those CELEBRATING and CONCELEBRATING the Mass TAKE Holy Communion, but I don’t see where intinction is limited to the ordained.

Is this more legend than Church directive?
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Seems you missed the following statements.

Why would people not accept intinction? You [the priest] take the Body of Christ and just dip in the Precious Blood and give it to the person on the tongue.** But the ministers must be priests or deacons, if they want that.**
 
Walking_Home said:
Seems you missed the following statements.

Why would people not accept intinction? You [the priest] take the Body of Christ and just dip in the Precious Blood and give it to the person on the tongue.** But the ministers must be** priests or deacons, if they want that.
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Thanks, I found it under persons planning a wedding…

Cardinal Arinze’s verbal comments at a conference alone are clearly not enough to disallow laypersons from distributing Holy Communion via intinction – no matter what his title in the Church.

If there is Church law; teachings and/or directives that support his position then fine, let’s see them. But his verbal comments alone are simply not enough to disallow laypersons from distributing Holy Communion via intinction.

I suspect there are no such laws, teachings or directives, else they would have been offered in place of the Cardinal’s verbal comments at a conference. If there are though, I would most certainly follow them.

I think this is a perfect example of how urban legends get started in the Church. All it does is cause confusion and irritation.
 
John_Lilburne said:
My view is that EMHCs are permitted to give communion by intinction. There is no official documentation I am aware of to support Cardinal Arinze’s assertion that only ordained ministers can do this. He responded as part of a Question and Answer session, requiring him to give an answer on the spot. So it is not the same as a liturgical book. I think there are significant advantages in intinction and think it would be unfortunate to restrict it to only ordained ministers.
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Nope it comes from a Dubium that the CDWDS responded to. I have only see copy in Italian, (that was read to us in one of my Diaconate classes), and would not know how to look it up online.

Classes are done for the summer, but I can see if I can get in touch with that professor ( a priest) and see if I can get a PROT bumner.

The response had to to with the fact that the laity can only pass on what they had recieved in the form that they recieve it. In other words, they cannot alter what they had recieved in a way that changes it’s form.
 
FYI, the context was in regards to a question one of my seminarian classmates had about Redeptionis Sacramentum 103
If this modality is employed, however, hosts should be used which are neither too thin nor too small, and the communicant should receive the Sacrament from the Priest only on the tongue…
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The question was if this meant that only a priest may offer the Host intincted. The professor said that no, a priest or deacon may do so, but only a priest or deacon.

On the next class, he brought in the dubium as support.
 
Pug said:
I find this paragraph a little ambiguous, but I will offer it for you to consider what it means. I’m guessing this is the sort of thing people may have in mind. Perhaps someone else has a better guess. I added the coloring.

From Redemptionis Sacramentum
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I’m guessing this means that one is not to receive by intinction into the hand. (What an awful thought!) Else it seems it would say something like “receive from only the Priest”. The action in that statement is on the receiver and how to receive, not who is administering the sacrament. …plus it would be leaving out Deacons.

Hmmm. Mystery deepens. 🙂 Thanks for finding that!
 
Brendan said:
Nope it comes from a Dubium that the CDWDS responded to. I have only see copy in Italian, (that was read to us in one of my Diaconate classes), and would not know how to look it up online.

Classes are done for the summer, but I can see if I can get in touch with that professor ( a priest) and see if I can get a PROT bumner.

The response had to to with the fact that the laity can only pass on what they had recieved in the form that they recieve it. In other words, they cannot alter what they had recieved in a way that changes it’s form.
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I would love to see that dubium. Even it has to be based upon something. It’s remarkable that EWTN and Adoremus don’t have a translated copy as I agree with John.
 
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