Would You Appreciate a Universal Indult?

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I’ve been paying attention to the speculation on whether or not the Pope will grant the universal indult very closely. It seems that, at least here, the attitude is overwhelmingly positive. I know that I support it 100%. What about the rest of you?
 
I would totally support it, although it wouldn’t really affect me since my parish already has one.
 
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Genesis315:
I would totally support it, although it wouldn’t really affect me since my parish already has one.
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That’s awesome! My priest requested permission from the Ordinary but was denied permission. He says it privately.
 
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totustuusmaria:
I’ve been paying attention to the speculation on whether or not the Pope will grant the universal indult very closely. It seems that, at least here, the attitude is overwhelmingly positive. I know that I support it 100%. What about the rest of you?
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I have no clue on Earth why anyone would have a problem with the Universal Indult.
If one thinks that no one wants the TLM, it proves them right.
If one wants it and it is not available, this would make them happy.

It’s a win/win situation.
 
I would welcome it enthusiastically but the sceptic in me worries the “liturgical committees” would water it down as they have the NO Mass.

However, worrying what wronmg may happen is no way to go through life. Bring it on!!!
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
I have no clue on Earth why anyone would have a problem with the Universal Indult.
If one thinks that no one wants the TLM, it proves them right.
If one wants it and it is not available, this would make them happy.

It’s a win/win situation.
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That would be a good point except that a lot of Catholics feel like the Traditional Latin Mass is merely a sign of a schismatic mentality, or condusive to some not accepting the “Spirit of Vatican II” or even a hinderance to the operation of the Holy Spirit. Some don’t feel comfortable with it for various reasons. Mark my word: if Benedict (and I pray he does) introduces it, there will be a firestorm in and outside of the Church.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
I have no clue on Earth why anyone would have a problem with the Universal Indult.
If one thinks that no one wants the TLM, it proves them right.
If one wants it and it is not available, this would make them happy.

It’s a win/win situation.
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Besides, it would be great fun listening to all the ankle biters squeal like stuck pigs. :rotfl:Those types know their days are numbered and they won’t go quietly.

Universal Indult or not, the tide is turning. The future belongs to reverent liturgy, whether the Mass of Paul VI or the TLM. Liturgical abuses, ad-libbed Eucharistic Prayers and such like will soon fade into the mists of history, gone and forgotten like the mysterious Spirit of Vatican II.
 
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Besides, it would be great fun listening to all the ankle biters squeal like stuck pigs. :rotfl:Those types know their days are numbered and they won’t go quietly.

Universal Indult or not, the tide is turning. The future belongs to reverent liturgy, whether the Mass of Paul VI or the TLM. Liturgical abuses, ad-libbed Eucharistic Prayers and such like will soon fade into the mists of history, gone and forgotten like the mysterious Spirit of Vatican II.
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Yep, :yup: and double Yep :yup::yup:
… keep the bombbay door open and let them leave singing “Gather Us Out”
 
Universal Indult or not, the tide is turning. The future belongs to reverent liturgy, whether the Mass of Paul VI or the TLM. Liturgical abuses, ad-libbed Eucharistic Prayers and such like will soon fade into the mists of history,
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You may well be right, but a change to a more traditional form of Catholic worship is going to take a fairly long time.

Waiting for the current priests to change their ways or to die off takes time.

The key to remember is that the current protocol of liturgy didn’t arise over night, and neither will it disappear over night.
Those types know their days are numbered
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As all of our days are numbered. I would think that most of the current ‘ankle biters’ will be deceased and buried by then.
 
Excuse my ignorance, but what is an indult? C’mon, you knew someone was going to ask! 😃
 
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Lorrie:
Excuse my ignorance, but what is an indult? C’mon, you knew someone was going to ask! 😃
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👋 An indult is just permission. As it is now, the bishop has to give a priest specific permission (an indult) to celebrate offer the Tridentine Mass. With a “universal indult” granted by the pope the priest wouldn’t need specific permission from the bishop 🙂
 
Can’t wait. While both masses have good points, I think that just being able to see our ancient tradition is a strong point for it in and of itself, without the other factors of prevention of liturgical abuses, universal worship etc…
 
I have never been to a Tridentine Mass. I stay up late some nights, reading my great-grandmother’s tridentine missal, and i groan with longing…
I even want to be an FSSP priest, even though i have never been to a Trdentine mass.

Here there is only one place the TLM is celebrated, in a little chapel in Lewisham, an hours drive away.
The rest are SSPX churches.

I really want this universal indult to be passed, so i can actually go to a Tridentine Mass.
 
Nekić:
I have never been to a Tridentine Mass. I stay up late some nights, reading my great-grandmother’s tridentine missal, and i groan with longing…
I even want to be an FSSP priest, even though i have never been to a Trdentine mass.

Here there is only one place the TLM is celebrated, in a little chapel in Lewisham, an hours drive away.
The rest are SSPX churches.

I really want this universal indult to be passed, so i can actually go to a Tridentine Mass.
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You sound so good and sincere! I too want to be a priest who can celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass; and I hope that the indult is passed soon so that your desire can be realized.
 
Why would anyone apart from elitists want Mass to be in Latin?
The vast majority of Catholics are in the developing world - Latin America, Africa and Asia.
Latin would not be a unifying thing, but rather something in common. Don’t 99.99% of the 1.1 billion Catholics who don’t speak or understand Latin have the right to understand and fully participate in a Mass in their own language!!
 
I don’t see a great deal of problem with the system we have now, to be honest. I trust whichever Bishop runs my diocese to have the furtherance of the faith foremost in his mind. If he has good reason to think that allowing a Tridentine mass to go ahead would be a good thing, then I trust him. If he has good reason to think that it would be a bad idea, then I trust him at that too.

I have faith in the Church hierarchy to do what is right for the Church.

Mike
 
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Kielbasi:
You may well be right, but a change to a more traditional form of Catholic worship is going to take a fairly long time.
Waiting for the current priests to change their ways or to die off takes time.
The key to remember is that the current protocol of liturgy didn’t arise over night, and neither will it disappear over night.
As all of our days are numbered. I would think that most of the current ‘ankle biters’ will be deceased and buried by then.
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I don’t know about that.
Look at the thread I put up a while ago asking “Do you have an EWTN type Mass”. In many places, young priests are much more traditional than their Vietnam era counterparts.

If the TLM is offered everywhere, it takes the steam out of the schizmatics. Many of their flock (at least in my area) don’t want to be away from Rome, they just want their mass back.

So if you expose people to a TLM, they might well start donating to that parish. The Happy Catholic parishes, like my old one will close or cluster. I see it right now.

I’m on the welcoming commitee of my church. There are 20 of us. I have 2 families a month that I’m welcoming. We are growing by leaps and bounds. Yet our Vicariate is closing and clustering.
Our wonderful pastor has 6 masses on Sunday (as late as 8:30 pm). The word is getting around. If you miss mass at your church, come to ours. Want to sleep late, come to ours. See what a Holy Mass is! After a few weeks, many don’t go back.

Either the priests will pay attention or we will have them all.

And let me tell you, our parish will be the first to get the TLM. We have the priest (our Fr. Ben already does the one we are allowed) and we have the congregation. Our Latin NO on Wednesday is packed.
 
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thistle:
Why would anyone apart from elitists want Mass to be in Latin?
The vast majority of Catholics are in the developing world - Latin America, Africa and Asia.
Latin would not be a unifying thing, but rather something in common. Don’t 99.99% of the 1.1 billion Catholics who don’t speak or understand Latin have the right to understand and fully participate in a Mass in their own language!!
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I love being an elitist!!!
You cannot possibly tell me that the “Catch as you can” Liturgy that we have in the States is unifying in any way.

Just because the Latin Mass is being offered, doesn’t mean you have to go. A Universal Indult means openly offered, not required.

Oh and BTW, if my five year old can be such an elistist to know Latin in the mass, you can be that elitist as well.
It is the Root of much of our language, afterall.
 
I would love to see a latin mass. I have never seen one. I actually considered going to an Sppx when I first converted (April 2004), but then I realized I would be in scism. So I decided to stay where I was. No priest in our parish knows latin as far as I know. But I could visit another.
 
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