Would You Attend This Mass?

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jwinch2 said:
Children and parents managed to make it for over a thousand years with huge amounts of silence in the Mass. You are correct in your assessment of the need for sacred silence at Mass. Though an antiphon would certainly be appropriate during the offertory as well, many, including Pope Benedict have spoken about the need for silence in the liturgy.
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Oh, right…you are the one that said us moms can only bring our children to Mass “If” we can make sure they are silent because the entire room being silent is a requirement of the GIRM. You said that anyone, including babies and children, who is not silent, is taking away your rights and the rights of everyone else in the Mass.

Hopefully Father will listen to parents who actually have to go through this with their young children now and not make the same mistakes of the past that have left the church with few families and children. They are the future of the Church. Hopefully father realizes more about who is included as members of the Body of Christ and what it means when they are missing from the Mass.

Any who, I’m not even sure you are correct in your description of the past.
 
Neofight said:
Actually, I said it could, not that it definitively would cause scandal.

More importantly, Latin, Greek, Hebrew, nor any other language of the present or the past is the language of God or His holy Church.

Love is the language of the almighty, and members of the body of Christ should endeavor to make it their language as well!
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The Church has repeatedly stated that Latin is to be maintained in the Roman rite and at a minimum, that the Faithful should be able to chant the responses and prayers of the ordinary in Latin.
 
KellyPalmer said:
Oh, right…you are the one that said us moms can only bring our children to Mass “If” we can make sure they are silent because the entire room being silent is a requirement of the GIRM. You said that anyone, including babies and children, who is not silent, is taking away your rights and the rights of everyone else in the Mass.

Hopefully Father will listen to parents who actually have to go through this with their young children now and not make the same mistakes of the past that have left the church with few families and children. They are the future of the Church. Hopefully father realizes more about who is included as members of the Body of Christ and what it means when they are missing from the Mass.

Any who, I’m not even sure you are correct in your description of the past.
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Amen!!!:clapping::clapping:
 
FrStevenJones said:
Just ok? Not something of interest?

Ok fine, congregation could sing at communion if GIRM requites it!.

I’m looking for time for silence at offertory
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GIRM
  1. The procession bringing the gifts is accompanied by the Offertory chant (cf. no. 37b), which continues at least until the gifts have been placed on the altar. The norms on the manner of singing are the same as for the Entrance chant (cf. no. 48). Singing may always accompany the rite at the offertory, even when there is no procession with the gifts.
 
I’d love it! I don’t suppose you’re anywhere near Washington, are you?
 
KellyPalmer said:
Oh, right…you are the one that said us moms can only bring our children to Mass “If” we can make sure they are silent because the entire room being silent is a requirement of the GIRM.
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No, I did not say that, not even once. I repeatedly stated that parents should be encouraged to bring their children to Mass. I also stated that in doing so, they should try to be respectful of others to ensure that they do not impair their ability to pray. That is all.

However, to your last point, there are indeed times when sacred silence is to be observed in the Mass. I have shared ample evidence in the past on this in the thread you are misrepresenting my position from above.

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KellyPalmer said:
Any who, I’m not even sure you are correct in your description of the past.
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So the Mass from the time of Pope Pius V and even well before, until the Mass of Paul VI, did not have large amounts of silence in it? If you have evidence to support this I would be most interested in seeing it.
 
JM3 said:
GIRM
  1. The procession bringing the gifts is accompanied by the Offertory chant (cf. no. 37b), which continues at least until the gifts have been placed on the altar. The norms on the manner of singing are the same as for the Entrance chant (cf. no. 48). Singing may always accompany the rite at the offertory, even when there is no procession with the gifts.
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Hmm, thanks for this but I think the earlier post was about a requirement for the cogregation to sing if there is a post-communion reflection!?
 
FrStevenJones said:
Hmm, thanks for this but I think the earlier post was about a requirement for the cogregation to sing if there is a post-communion reflection!?
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The post I quoted said ‘silence at the Offertory’. The GIRM appears to nix this, as long as there is a procession. Though, I assume, your Bishop can override that.
 
Yes, I would welcome more reverence and silence at Mass, as long as it is in keeping with church teaching. I am a music minister, and we have recently sung the service music in English chant for advent, and then learned the Latin chant for Lent. Sacred music is beautiful, but it should point to the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist instead of taking center stage.

I am post VatII, but remember Communion rails from my early childhood. I would love to have a rail to kneel now, as I have arthritis and can’t “freeform” kneel to receive (I could get down but probably not back up.) Nothing deserves more rapt adoration than the Blessed Sacrament. Jesus comes to us body, blood, soul and divinity> We can never be too reverent.

I applaud your desire to bring more reverence and awe to the miracle of the sacrifice on the altar that occurs at every Mass. Blessings on your priesthood and ministry.
 
JM3 said:
The post I quoted said ‘silence at the Offertory’. The GIRM appears to nix this, as long as there is a procession. Though, I assume, your Bishop can override that.
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My understanding of the GIRM is that the procession is not required during the Offertory, but is an option, which would seem to allow for silence in the event that the procession was not done. However, its been so long since I looked at that particular instruction that I may be remembering it incorrectly. Am I correct on that?
 
JM3 said:
The post I quoted said ‘silence at the Offertory’. The GIRM appears to nix this, as long as there is a procession. Though, I assume, your Bishop can override that.
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Offertory chant is optional.

Also I don’t plan (normally) to have offertory procession, which is encouraged but not required.
 
jwinch2 said:
No, I did not say that, not even once. I repeatedly stated that parents should be encouraged to bring their children to Mass. I also stated that in doing so, they should try to be respectful of others to ensure that they do not impair their ability to pray. That is all.

However, to your last point, there are indeed times when sacred silence is to be observed in the Mass. I have shared ample evidence in the past on this in the thread you are misrepresenting my position from above.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9849112&postcount=94

So the Mass from the time of Pope Pius V and even well before, until the Mass of Paul VI, did not have large amounts of silence in it? If you have evidence to support this I would be most interested in seeing it.
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You did say those things. When I stated that all should be welcome at Mass, you responded that people are only welcome as long as they can give you and everyone else the silence that they are entitled to - forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9849999&postcount=103

You stated that we should do something impossible. You stated that there is an absolute requirement of silence and when you were called out on that, you insisted that parents must remove their babies and children when they make noise however you completely avoided the fact that then the children and the parents are no longer fulfilling their absolute requirement to be silent and provide silence. It made no sense! Then you refused to answer my questions about that.
 
I would fly over from Australia to attend a Mass such as this Father Steven. Excellent ideas there. 👍
 
jwinch2 said:
My understanding of the GIRM is that the procession is not required during the Offertory, but is an option, which would seem to allow for silence in the event that the procession was not done. However, its been so long since I looked at that particular instruction that I may be remembering it incorrectly. Am I correct on that?
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Yes, procession is not required, and don’t plan to use that option. Maybe for special occassions like 2x per or something…
 
jwinch2 said:
So the Mass from the time of Pope Pius V and even well before, until the Mass of Paul VI, did not have large amounts of silence in it? If you have evidence to support this I would be most interested in seeing it.
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You are the one who made the claim so the burden of proof is on you. Please provide any evidence to support your claim that “for over a thousand years” there was “huge amounts of silence” in the Mass and “children and parents managed to make it”!
 
KellyPalmer said:
You did say those things. When I stated that all should be welcome at Mass, you responded that people are only welcome as long as they can give you and everyone else the silence that they are entitled to - forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9849999&postcount=103
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Nope, I didn’t. You are quoting me out of context. I said that as long as parents exercised some basic common sense and took some simple precautions things would be fine. And what were those simply precautions? I addressed that more than once earlier in that same thread when I responded to the OP who was nervous about taking her child to Mass.
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jwinch2:
I hope you will take your child to Mass with you soon. As long as you follow some basic ideas of politeness, you should be fine. Sit near the door on the end of the aisle, wear quiet shoes, and don’t be afraid to come in and out quietly more than once as needed.

If you do those things, you will be fine!

Peace of Christ,
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Hardly mandating that parents keep their kids at home.
 
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