Would you criminalize homosexual act if you had the chance?

[josh987654321]

Didn’t Christ teach us not to throw stones?

In regards to homosexuality we should treat it just like Jesus treated the Adulterer, In the same way we shouldn’t throw stones if out of weakness a homosexual gives into their disordered and immoral desires, but we certainly shouldn’t be saying it’s okay either, this is where same sex marriage comes into it and why it must be opposed, however the act should not result in persecution.

I strongly recommend reading this very good and short booklet, it’s free to read online in pdf. with the following link -

Why Homosexual Unions Are Not Marriages - catholic.com/sites/default/files/why_homosexual_unions_are_not_marriages.pdf

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[mymamamary]

No. What happens between 2 consenting adults in private is none of mine or the government’s business.

**So as long as it doesn’t hurt me then its ok?

Thats moral relativism, which by the way, is a self defeating philosophy.**

 

[mymamamary]

I would outlaw homosexuality but criminally penalize it? I’m not so sure.

 

[mymamamary]

It is immoral, but should not be considered a crime between consenting adults. If that becomes a crime then others should be a crime as well: ** premarital sex; extramarital sex; fornication, **etc. All immoral, but not criminal.

**These should be criminal, but pragmatically speaking, these would be unenforcable laws. **

 

[credoicxc]

**These should be criminal, but pragmatically speaking, these would be unenforcable laws. **

The authorities would simply have to check their public hang out places.

 

[onjac]

No, that would be ridiculous!

 

[buffalo]

No, that would be ridiculous!

Not really. Not too long ago a number got busted for soliciting sex in public places. Everyone in town knew the park was a hangout.

 

[livingwordunity]

Until recently it was against the law. Laws set the standard.

Now if it is shown that homosexual act is a broad health threat then yes, criminalize it.

It shouldn’t be criminalized. But it should be recognized as a psychological disorder just as some people are bi-polar, alcoholic, etc. as it had been before the American Psychiatric Association reclassified it due to political pressure. Homosexuals have a much higher suicide rate than heterosexuals even in countries where the “gay lifestyle” gets total acceptance and where marriage was redefined to include so-called “same-sex marriage”. LGBT people are at higher risk of mental disorder, suicidal ideation, substance misuse, and deliberate self harm than heterosexual people (source). Gay and bisexual men are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States (source). And in research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation (source).

 

[Cojuanco]

To the concerns about unenforceability, I would point out that a law, even if unenforceable, has a certain didactic element to it, a sort of resolution that society frowns upon the behavior spoken of disapprovingly in law. We cannot catch every thief - there are not enough policemen to pursue every case effectively - but we still have laws against theft, to send a message that society does not approve.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

English is not my native language, you might find some errors and I apologize for that.

I need clear answer, if you had the chance would you make homosexual acts illegal like in some countries, would you make someone go to jail or might even get killed if he/she had homosexual sex?

Absolutely not unless you criminalized sodomy in general and evenly enforced it. I can’t stand moral hypocrisy.

How so?

Lawrence v. Texas

It shouldn’t be criminalized. But it should be recognized as a psychological disorder just as some people are bi-polar, alcoholic, etc. as it had been before the American Psychiatric Association reclassified it due to political pressure. Homosexuals have a much higher suicide rate than heterosexuals even in countries where the “gay lifestyle” gets total acceptance and where marriage was redefined to include so-called “same-sex marriage”. LGBT people are at higher risk of mental disorder, suicidal ideation, substance misuse, and deliberate self harm than heterosexual people (source). Gay and bisexual men are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States (source). And in research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation (source).

Just because a place might now be accepting doesn’t mean people don’t have emotional baggage from before.

Surely you are aware that “higher risk of mental disorder, suicidal ideation, substance misuse, and deliberate self harm” can be explained by the higher amount being abused as children, frankly many of the things that plague LGBT people can be traced to it.

The AIDS data skewing that way in the West doesn’t hold up in Africa.

 

[InJesusItrust]

Why not treat it like any other mental disorder? Do you throw depressed people in jail?

 

[TheBreak]

Just to the one who asking people why they will not criminalize homosexual acts, my thread was asking question Yes or No. but keep following everyone who says No and ask them why, that is ignorance from you to do.

Thanks to everybody who answered the question.

 

[buffalo]

To the concerns about unenforceability, I would point out that a law, even if unenforceable, has a certain didactic element to it, a sort of resolution that society frowns upon the behavior spoken of disapprovingly in law. We cannot catch every thief - there are not enough policemen to pursue every case effectively - but we still have laws against theft, to send a message that society does not approve.

 

[buffalo]

Absolutely not unless you criminalized sodomy in general and evenly enforced it. I can’t stand moral hypocrisy.

Lawrence v. Texas

Just because a place might now be accepting doesn’t mean people don’t have emotional baggage from before.

Surely you are aware that “higher risk of mental disorder, suicidal ideation, substance misuse, and deliberate self harm” can be explained by the higher amount being abused as children, frankly many of the things that plague LGBT people can be traced to it.

The AIDS data skewing that way in the West doesn’t hold up in Africa.

There are many unenforceable laws on the books right now. Laws set the standard. How many times have you said to your kids? - it is against the law. It is about setting boundaries.

 

[RPRPsych]

English is not my native language, you might find some errors and I apologize for that.

I need clear answer, if you had the chance would you make homosexual acts illegal like in some countries, would you make someone go to jail or might even get killed if he/she had homosexual sex?

Not in general. That would open up too large a can of worms, and we can’t have cameras in everyone’s bedroom.

But I would be more than willing to consider criminal sentences / penalties (not the death penalty, however) for the following:

• public homosexual acts
• soliciting homosexual partners in public
• publicly promoting / glorifying a “gay lifestyle” through any medium
• distributing gay pornography
• teaching / advocating homosexual acts in public places, especially schools, and especially when the audience consists of young children / adolescents

…as well as prescribe sanctions on public and teaching officers for those who are involved in, or advocate, the above.

 

[CopticChristian]

Until recently it was against the law. Laws set the standard.

Now if it is shown that homosexual act is a broad health threat then yes, criminalize it.

Cigarettes are unhealthy and the best you can hope for is this…on a package of Condoms…based on what is said about Cigarettes…

SURGEON GENERAL’S WARNING: Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy.
SURGEON GENERAL’S WARNING: Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health.
SURGEON GENERAL’S WARNING: Smoking By Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, And Low Birth Weight.
SURGEON GENERAL’S WARNING: Cigarette Smoke Contains Carbon Monoxide

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** SURGEON GENERAL’S WARNING: Homosexuality Causes Disease And will not lead to Pregnancy.

SURGEON GENERAL’S WARNING: Quitting Homosexuality Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health. **

 

[CrossofChrist]

All of which would turn this country into a sexual North Korea. Such laws were very popular at one time, but collapsed on their own impracticality and unenforceability.

Here’s what the Pope had to say in 1968 (all of his correct predictions regarding declining morality aside):

*23. And now We wish to speak to rulers of nations. To you most of all is committed the responsibility of safeguarding the common good. You can contribute so much to the preservation of morals. We beg of you, never allow the morals of your peoples to be undermined. The family is the primary unit in the state; do not tolerate any legislation which would introduce into the family those practices which are opposed to the natural law of God. For there are other ways by which a government can and should solve the population problem—that is to say by enacting laws which will assist families and by educating the people wisely so that the moral law and the freedom of the citizens are both safeguarded.
And concerning the statement that the country would be a “sexual North Korea”, some very Catholic countries like Malta don’t have legal divorce. Would you compare them to North Korea?

 

[triumphguy]

I see an inherent hypocrisy in this discussion -

All acts against chastity are gravely immoral.

Even if they occur within a heterosexual, valid, Catholic marriage, in the privacy of the bedroom.

 

[RPRPsych]

I see an inherent hypocrisy in this discussion -

All acts against chastity are gravely immoral.

Even if they occur within a heterosexual, valid, Catholic marriage, in the privacy of the bedroom.

Good point. But I think the OP is asking more about the legal ramifications of the issue, rather than the moral ones; should we return to older laws that criminalize homosexual conduct, or stick with the more “liberal” modern ones?

Personally, I’d like to qualify my earlier post by stating that I would apply many of the same sanctions to people who perform immoral heterosexual acts or promote the same.

 

[JMJ_coder]

I would probably put it in the same legal category as prostitution - crimes against human sexuality.

So we would to make illegal also:

• fornication
• adultery
• getting drunk (privately)
• cursing
• not going to Church on Sunday
  …etc…

Most of those were at one time illegal in the United States. For example, it used to be illegal to have a business operate on a Sunday (exceptions were allowed, e.g., emergency services, steel mills which had equipment that could not be easily shut down, etc.). I think it would do a world of good to bring some of those laws back, for example, no regular business on Sunday or no profanity.