Would you criminalize homosexual act if you had the chance?

[Dakota_Roberts]

This thread definitely brought out a special kinda ugly here. It was funny to read cuz some of the comments here are so utterly absurd, but now that the fun’s over I’m thinking this forum might not be a healthy place for me.

If you think this is a special kinda ugly you should have seen the thread where they discussed killing homosexuals, it was so hideous it was deleted.

Is pedophilia an illness or an orientation? How can you tell?

Pedophilia is a chronophilia. As pedophilia lacks emotional and romantic attractions I would say it is not an orientation.

 

[aspirant]

If you think this is a special kinda ugly you should have seen the thread where they discussed killing homosexuals, it was so hideous it was deleted.

Many threads get deleted here. I’m kind of surprised this one is still around.

 

[DexUK]

** SURGEON GENERAL’S WARNING: Homosexuality Causes Disease And will not lead to Pregnancy.
**

I can’t believe this hasn’t been challenged yet.

Homosexuality does NOT cause disease any more than heterosexuality ‘causes’ disease.

Diseases are transmitted by activity. They aren’t caused by sexual orientations.

You’re supposedly a doctor. You should know this. Perpetuating this nasty idea is to continue a repugnant stereotype of homosexual orientation being somehow ‘infectious’. It harks back to the fear of catching HIV/AIDS from toilet seats and handshakes and perpetuates a totally unjustifiable fear. No medically trained person should ever suggest such an ill-informed myth.

 

[InJesusItrust]

Pedophilia is a chronophilia. As pedophilia lacks emotional and romantic attractions I would say it is not an orientation.

If NAMBLA stormed the APA and found a way to make them claim it is not a disorder, does it cease to be one? If a generation of children were to be raised to think that it is an orientation would it truly become one?

 

[josh987654321]

I can’t believe this hasn’t been challenged yet.

Homosexuality does NOT cause disease any more than heterosexuality ‘causes’ disease.

Diseases are transmitted by activity. They aren’t caused by sexual orientations.

You’re supposedly a doctor. You should know this. Perpetuating this nasty idea is to continue a repugnant stereotype of homosexual orientation being somehow ‘infectious’. It harks back to the fear of catching HIV/AIDS from toilet seats and handshakes and perpetuates a totally unjustifiable fear. No medically trained person should ever suggest such an ill-informed myth.

I thought he was joking.

When he says “homosexuality” I think he is talking about homosexual intercourse, thats why I say “acts of homosexuality.”

And given that, his statement should have been “unprotected anal Intercourse” in place of “homosexuality” for it to be correct, as we typically assume anal intercourse to be the intercourse for homosexuals, however this is only with men, and that type of intercourse, unprotected does created a far greater risk of sexually transmitted infections and diseases.

I didn’t pay much attention to that post last time, so yes I do challange it aswell dexAU. if he replaced the word “homosexuality” with “unprotected anal intercourse” his statement would be accurate, however as it is at the moment it is very inacurate, however Im sure he didn’t mean sexual orientation when he used the word “homosexuality”, if he did than I would have been quick to reject his reply.

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[fix]

English is not my native language, you might find some errors and I apologize for that.

I need clear answer, if you had the chance would you make homosexual acts illegal like in some countries, would you make someone go to jail or might even get killed if he/she had homosexual sex?

They have been illegal for centuries. In this country they were illegal up until a few years ago. Only the post modern mind sees a problem with that.

 

[Forkfoot]

If you think this is a special kinda ugly you should have seen the thread where they discussed killing homosexuals, it was so hideous it was deleted.

Eww. I mean, not surprising at this point, but still. Eww.

 

[DexUK]

I thought he was joking.

When he says “homosexuality” I think he is talking about homosexual intercourse, thats why I say “acts of homosexuality.”

And given that, his statement should have been “unprotected anal Intercourse” in place of “homosexuality” for it to be correct, as we typically assume anal intercourse to be the intercourse for homosexuals, however this is only with men, and that type of intercourse, unprotected does created a far greater risk of sexually transmitted infections and diseases.

I didn’t pay much attention to that post last time, so yes I do challange it aswell dexAU. if he replaced the word “homosexuality” with “unprotected anal intercourse” his statement would be accurate, however as it is at the moment it is very inacurate, however Im sure he didn’t mean sexual orientation when he used the word “homosexuality”, if he did than I would have been quick to reject his reply.

Thank you for reading
Josh

Well, to be entirely accurate, even sodomy doesn’t automatically cause disease. A person has to have a disease in the first place.

This is why I really dislike a lot of what is said about homosexuals on here: it’s the short-cuts people take that mark their words out as both uncharitable and quite simply plain wrong. Then people take these inaccurate (at best) statements and repeat them as absolute fact, entrenching prejudice in people who were already liable to be uncharitable.

If we’re going to make statements about the subject, it behoves us all to be accurate about what we accuse people of.

 

[livingwordunity]

Fast Facts

- Gay and bisexual men are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States .

- Among all gay and bisexual men, blacks/African Americans bear the greatest disproportionate burden of HIV.

- From 2008 to 2010, HIV infections among young black/African American ***gay and bisexual men*** increased 20%.

“Fighting HIV among African Americans is not mutually exclusive with fighting HIV among gay and bisexual men. Efforts to reduce HIV among Blacks must confront the epidemic among Black gay and bisexual men as forcefully as existing efforts to confront the epidemic among other groups.” - Obama

“Roughly three-fourths of HIV/AIDS cases in the United States are among men, the majority of whom are gay and bisexual men.” - Obama

“Gay and bisexual men have comprised the largest proportion of the HIV epidemic in the United States since the first cases were reported in the 1980s, and that has not changed. They still comprise the greatest proportion of infections nationally.” - Obama

Sources:
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
President Obama’s National HIV/AIDS Strategy for the the the United States

 

[mitex]

“Roughly three-fourths of HIV/AIDS cases in the United States are among men, the majority of whom are gay and bisexual men.” - Obama

Sources:
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
President Obama’s National HIV/AIDS Strategy for the the the United States

But that’s not fact with AIDS/HIV worldwide where most of the cases are heterosexual. You just can’t say it’s a “gay disease.” You’re still not being very compassionate.

 

[livingwordunity]

But that’s not fact with AIDS/HIV worldwide where most of the cases are heterosexual. You just can’t say it’s a “gay disease.” You’re still not being very compassionate.

You are ignoring the percentages. There are more heterosexuals with AIDS because there are more heterosexuals. Homosexuals only make up about 2% of the population. One of the primary ways AIDS got into the heterosexual population is because of bisexual men.

 

[Gaerteuth]

Garbage is food that has been thrown away. How does this relate?
I am almost certain that was tongue-in-cheek. By garbage I mean these 3 things:

Revelation (Which cannot be falsified, and is therefore null)
Tradition (Only seeks the preservation of itself)
Authority (Which calls itself “Divine” to keep people looking up to it)

Bigotry is what you percieve. Condemnation of sinful acts is what Catholics percieve.
And Catholics have the monopoly on whats moral or not? This isn’t a matter of perception, it really is just discrimination. I’m sorry if that’s hard to grasp.

Since when did Jesus ever once say that sinners should be condemned?
I’ll (very, very roughly) quote him about this type of condemnation:

“Let the first of you who have not sinned be the one to judge the sinner.”

And no one could pass judgement to the sinner, with them all knowing that they themselves had sinned at one point.

 

[CopticChristian]

Gaerteuth:
Garbage is food that has been thrown away. How does this relate?

I am almost certain that was tongue-in-cheek. By garbage I mean these 3 things:

Revelation (Which cannot be falsified, and is therefore null)
Tradition (Only seeks the preservation of itself)
Authority (Which calls itself “Divine” to keep people looking up to it)

You come to the conclusion that Revelation can be falsified and null. What does that mean

Tradtion as preservation of self. Where does that come from. Explain this.

Authority. You deny the Church Authority and ascribe a purpose that you oppose. How did you come to believe this?

Bigotry is what you percieve. Condemnation of sinful acts is what Catholics percieve.

And Catholics have the monopoly on whats moral or not? This isn’t a matter of perception, it really is just discrimination. I’m sorry if that’s hard to grasp.

Since when did Jesus ever once say that sinners should be condemned?
I’ll (very, very roughly) quote him about this type of condemnation:

“Let the first of you who have not sinned be the one to judge the sinner.”

And no one could pass judgement to the sinner, with them all knowing that they themselves had sinned at one point.

If you look up to the top left of the screen, CAF, explanation and defense of the Faith. Do you expect Gnostic, New Age views in answer to your questions on a Catholic forum?

You see discrimination in what Catholics believe to be a revealed truth, teaching and a wrong. You are on the outside looking in. I can see people eating dead meat that makes no sense and to them it is nourishment.

Jesus said He came to fulfill the law and not destroy the law and he also commented on what is good and avoiding what is not good…following Him in His life and you may or may not recall but one of the things He did that caused the Jews a problem was…

He forgave sin

To forgive sin is to acknowledge sin existed and then the question is what sins are…

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

If NAMBLA stormed the APA and found a way to make them claim it is not a disorder, does it cease to be one? If a generation of children were to be raised to think that it is an orientation would it truly become one?

There were people who strongly disagreed with the inclusion of homosexuality, I don’t think anyone objected to the inclusion.

I thought he was joking.

When he says “homosexuality” I think he is talking about homosexual intercourse, thats why I say “acts of homosexuality.”

And given that, his statement should have been “unprotected anal Intercourse” in place of “homosexuality” for it to be correct, as we typically assume anal intercourse to be the intercourse for homosexuals, however this is only with men, and that type of intercourse, unprotected does created a far greater risk of sexually transmitted infections and diseases.

I didn’t pay much attention to that post last time, so yes I do challange it aswell dexAU. if he replaced the word “homosexuality” with “unprotected anal intercourse” his statement would be accurate, however as it is at the moment it is very inacurate, however Im sure he didn’t mean sexual orientation when he used the word “homosexuality”, if he did than I would have been quick to reject his reply.

Thank you for reading
Josh

Well he needs to stop buggering English, an -ity makes it a noun denoting a condition.

Many heterosexuals also engage in it.

The popularity of anal sex comes and goes among homosexuals, in the 1950s and 1960s brownie queens got a lot of abuse about it.

They have been illegal for centuries. In this country they were illegal up until a few years ago. Only the post modern mind sees a problem with that.

In England sodomy laws were introduced by Henry VIII after the Anglicans broke off, after his death Queen Mary repealed it.

In France while in many places it was criminal people just didn’t care.

“Fighting HIV among African Americans is not mutually exclusive with fighting HIV among gay and bisexual men. Efforts to reduce HIV among Blacks must confront the epidemic among Black gay and bisexual men as forcefully as existing efforts to confront the epidemic among other groups.” - Obama

“Roughly three-fourths of HIV/AIDS cases in the United States are among men, the majority of whom are gay and bisexual men.” - Obama

“Gay and bisexual men have comprised the largest proportion of the HIV epidemic in the United States since the first cases were reported in the 1980s, and that has not changed. They still comprise the greatest proportion of infections nationally.” - Obama

Sources:
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
President Obama’s National HIV/AIDS Strategy for the the the United States

Black people engage in sex as much as white people, but are much less likely. The increase of MSM is the result of increasing incarceration and lessening stigma in the black community.

 

[Gaerteuth]

**
To forgive sin is to acknowledge sin existed and then the question is what sins are…**

So we’re on the same page.

The question is what “sin” is- or whatever you’d like to call it.
Which brings me back to the question of whether we can really trust that Catholicism is divinely inspired (in the 21st century) or if it’s become a political tool now.

If what I’m saying is right (which at this point is not known by me or you) then it would be safe to assume that the lawmaking process could be influenced by it according to their agenda. That’s what I fear, because it could grow into clerical fascism in the same way that radical liberalism could potentially grow into Communism.

(I’m a lefty myself, but I’m very very close to the center. I think the problem is going -too far- in either direction is where problems come up, no matter which wing)

 

[CrossofChrist]

That’s discrimination; if you made that law rich people could do all that fun gay sex stuff all day, but the poor would have to scrimp and save for weeks. Pope Francis says we should be advocating for the poor, man.

Can’t tell if this is serious or not.

Assuming it is, let’s just say a punishment proportionate to the crime, taking into account ability to pay.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

Dex UK

**If we’re going to make statements about the subject, it behoves us all to be accurate about what we accuse people of. **

And this is accurate.

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/723699/posts

You are pathetically out of touch with the real world. Grow up. Sodomy is evil. Stop damning the people who say it is.

 

[livingwordunity]

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[Forkfoot]

Can’t tell if this is serious or not.

Assuming it is, let’s just say a punishment proportionate to the crime, taking into account ability to pay.

Ah, so like a sliding scale type deal? Taking into account their net income and what sort of gay sex act they were engaged in when they got caught?

 

[CrossofChrist]

Ah, so like a sliding scale type deal? Taking into account their net income and what sort of gay sex act they were engaged in when they got caught?

At first I was going to do this but then I thought about it and was kind of like, “Wow, this is a really weird and creepy thread. ”

So I’m bailing out.