To kill to avenge the martyrs is to disgrace their martyrdom.
It is not a question of avenging martyrs, it is a question of defending the innocent.
Very true! Yet if Justice is God’s, how does he enact it? If a man steals from me is it wrong for me to call the police because justice is God’s and not the police? This can go even further, if my family is being attacked am I taking away from God’s justice by calling the police?
And to the young man who has the means to defend the defenseless? Is he not overcoming his fallen-nature by overcoming his cowardice and risking his life for those whom he loves? You make it sound like this is the easy way out, I can hardly see whats so easy about putting myself in the line of fire, so the defensless are not in the line of fire.
So we shouldn’t of helped them, had we known sooner. That would be a sin to help them?
So you’re either saying that those verses in the OT where God COMMANDS the Israelites to take military action were either not of God, in which case you’re challenging the inerrancy/authenticity of Scripture. Obviously, to show such major errors in Scripture would bring into question the rest of the Old Testament, including the prophecies that are fulfilled by Jesus and thus brings into question whether Jesus really is the Messiah or not. Either this or you are saying God’s a liar. God is not man to where He needs to tell people merely what they want to hear. If God ordered the Israelites to make war, then that had to have been His Will unless you are going to call Him liar.
Who are you to determine where and how actions fit into God’s will? Furthermore, who are you to claim what defames/dishonours God?
Hello Zooey. I guess I am waaaaaaaay behind the times. Lost in the shuffle. I just wonder how faint my heart would be if I tried to take care of physically wounded people??? I do better with the mentally wounded. No apprent blood, at least obvious. Many thanks for the explanation. God Bless. Peace.That was precisely my question.
It is one thing to say, that you are a pacifist, but would help the wounded, in the war zone, or at home.
It is another to claim, (and I have heard this, in my youth), that “nursing the sick and injured is freeing up someone else to kill people”–as though, somehow, the wounded could be used as a political pawn.
I amno nurse, by the way; I am only a woman who came of age during the Vietnam War, and was not about to watch my school friends come home injured, and develop life-threatening complications because no one else would change dressings, and debrade exit wounds.
It is not pretty. If there were a crusade, there would be need of strong stomachs & brave hearts, to both get the wounded to a place of safety, and to care for them.
In World Wars 1 & 2, there were a good many COs who served as ambulance drivers, medics, nurses, &aiding chaplains. Somewhere in the intervening years, the concept changed.More & more, pacifism has come to mean:crying: “let enough people die, & the war will be over sooner”. :nope: :nope: Not so; it means an opportunity for the faint of heart to talk much, whilst doing little, except:banghead: keep a scorecard on the day’s casualties.
Gee thanks because you are so right and God will agree with you and change my heart.
I hate it when people do this to try to establish themselves as supirior.ouch, that’s one cold potato.Gee thanks because you are so right and God will agree with you and change my heart.
I wont patronize you. I wont even pray for you in this rediculous debate I’ll just forget you.
More like a potato with a chip on his shoulder. Get it…
Hello Potato
My question is always, how do we know God is using the right TOOLS? Look at WWII. I agree Hitler and his minions had to be taken down, but there were misguided “Christians” on the other side of the pond from us who believed their government was doing the right thing. A matter of National pride getting in the way of reason, the herd instinct and all that. But EVERYONE thought God was on their side. Human interpretation. But then there were the Crusades. As I understand it, but am going to have to study it more, the Muslims and Christians lived side by side in peace for many decades until the Pope and Christians decided they didn’t want Christ’s homeland “befouled” by unbelievers. But both Christians and Muslims thought they were in God’s Grace. So I really believe we need to tread very warily before hopping on the War band wagon, we need to understand the position of governments and the intentions of those governments as clearly as possible. But governments lie and have their own agendas, so how could we ever know?
Thats incorrect, originally the Crusades were a response to a cry for help from the Byzantines (Orthodox), when the Seljuk Turks invaded Constantinople (now Istanbul).
Why would you even post in this thread? You’re not a Catholic therefore you are not under the authority of the Pope. You would not be called to a Crusade. Catholics don’t need anglican chaplains, we’ve got plenty of people willing to serve in this capacity and finally, if you did get excommunicated from the anglican church, you can become a Catholic and practice the truth.
I would have to assume that if a Crusade were called, it would be for a very grave reason and that, potentially, all of Christendom (i.e. not just Roman Catholic) is under threat. The only group I could foresee causing such a threat is Islam (just like in the original Crusades) and they don’t seem to differentiate between Roman Catholicism and the rest of Christianity. Certain elements of Islam have made it clear that they are going to turn Europe into an Islamic continent and that they want to capture the Vatican and Canterbury and other Christian centers. Unfortunately, parts of Anglicanism seem perfectly okay with kowtowing to Islam.
Canada is in armed conflic??? How many troops, I know they were “helping out” ((thanks) a little but I thought that stopped.
Oky doky. As I said, I need to read up on it A LOT!!
