Would you leave if the church mandated communion on the toungue and kneeling?

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kildare said:
After 2000 years of often very vigourous theological discourse not to mention the recent problems regarding the sex abuse, to then leave the church on a point as trivial as this would only reflect on the hitherto shallowness the apostates faith.
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So you think the members of the Eastern Rite Churches are all potential apostates and have “shallow” faith? :mad:
 
theistgal said:
So you think the members of the Eastern Rite Churches are all potential apostates and have “shallow” faith? :mad:
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I think that he was simply referring to the original question and he was not discussing the variation to the thread that covers the eastern churches.
 
uncomfortable how?
Irishgal49 said:
I voted yes because I wouldn’t feel comfortable standing at the altar rail. I’d go across town and join my friends at the Byzantine (forgive me if I spelled it wrong) Church. I’ve visited there before and it’s beautiful and the people are friendly. I just like the priest and friends I have in my home parish.
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Eric_Olsen said:
I hear so much back and fort about this argument and just curious to see if people would actually leave for another church or stay if/when Rome mandates communion on the toungue kneeling. Please give response for your answer.
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I would rejoice, and praise God. (It would fill my heart with untold gladness!!!
 
Eric_Olsen said:
uncomfortable how?
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I think they have already indicated that they can not kneel…so to be standing there at the altar rail while everyone else is kneel would make some people uncomfortable.

I know a priest who had a cast on his knee and couldn’t kneel…or course you couldn’t see in under his vestments. After Mass one day he got such a lecture from someone who just lit into him…starting with “you liberal priests…you are what is wrong with the church”…Fr. just pulled up his vestment to show this man his cast…and turned and walked away.

Lets face it…people can be judgmental and unkind sometimes. I can understand how this poster would feel uncomfortable standing there.
 
Irishgal49 said:
I voted yes because I wouldn’t feel comfortable standing at the altar rail.
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It seems the newer altar rails have a break in them to accommodate people who can’t kneel (or even who need wheelchairs, for that matter).
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
I think they have already indicated that they can not kneel…so to be standing there at the altar rail while everyone else is kneel would make some people uncomfortable.

I know a priest who had a cast on his knee and couldn’t kneel…or course you couldn’t see in under his vestments. After Mass one day he got such a lecture from someone who just lit into him…starting with “you liberal priests…you are what is wrong with the church”…Fr. just pulled up his vestment to show this man his cast…and turned and walked away.

Lets face it…people can be judgmental and unkind sometimes. I can understand how this poster would feel uncomfortable standing there.
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I have a knee that isn’t reliable. I can pretty much always kneel in the pew (sometimes with my hinder end against the seat), but when it comes to the altar rail, sometimes I can kneel, and sometimes I can’t. Sometimes (less than half the time, pretty much) I can genuflect, and sometimes I can’t. There is nothing obviously wrong with me, and I am not within 30 years of looking old enough that people would just assume I had a health issue. So I understand about not being able to kneel. In addition, the altar rails in my parish are narrow (front to back), unpadded marble. Sometimes, although I can kneel, I find out when I get down to my knees that it is going to be excruciating.

Obviously, at the moment, the whole issue of kneeling for Communion for me only applies when I attend EF Mass. I have no problem with people who want to kneel for Communion in an OF Mass even though it’s optional, but I shouldn’t be one of them.

I tell you what, though, neither the uncomfortable feeling when I stand, or when I bow instead of genuflecting, nor the pain when my knee unexpectedly stops working when I am down on it already, is even comparable to the pain of Christ on the cross. I find the unexpected pain to be a blessing in disguise, as I look at the Crucifix, receive Christ on my tongue, and unite my physical suffering with His in reparation for my many sins which put Him up there. The mental pain can work the same way, if I just can’t stop worrying about what people think (which happens).

Obedience is a duty. We can talk about whether it would be a good idea to make kneeling the ordinary posture for receiving Communion, just like we can talk about whether EMHCs are a good idea. But to leave the Church if either question is decided against our preference is apostasy, cutting yourself off from the Bride of Christ. A little mental discomfort, or even righteous indignation, seems to be insufficient reason for that.

–Jen

P.S. wouldn’t it have been a better idea for that priest to talk kindly to the person about the Christian duty of Charity? He scored more points by just walking away, but he is perhaps not as likely to have softened the heart of the poor uncharitable sinner who, like the rest of us sinners, is loved infinitely by God.
 
centurionguard said:
Its a feed for shut in Catholics done by some local Catholic Knights.
The small cable station is also run by local Catholics who volunteer their time.

I make it to Mass most of the time, sometimes I don’t
like the previous three weeks I spent in hospital.

How’s your curiosity now?
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Satisfied. 👍 Never would have thought of that.
 
Eric_Olsen said:
I hear so much back and fort about this argument and just curious to see if people would actually leave for another church or stay if/when Rome mandates communion on the toungue kneeling. Please give response for your answer.
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Leave? :eek:

I would be SO happy lol 🙂
 
Where in the world would you go when you left the One Holy Apostolic Church?🤷

Peace
 
revert_jen said:
I have a knee that isn’t reliable.
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There is no law of the Church that requires anyone to do what they can’t do, and this is not going to change. If it were mandated that the faithful normally receive COT and kneeling, there would be accomodations made for those who cannot walk or who cannot kneel.

If you look at many of the old churches, it’s twenty or thirty steps to get from the street to the sanctuary. I think that probably screened out many of the people with unreliable knees and legs! Since the advent of full-accessible churches, re-institution of COT and kneeling as “the” posture for reception of Holy Communion would necessarily look a little different than what some of us rememember from our childhoods.
 
revert_jen said:
I have a knee that isn’t reliable. I can pretty much always kneel in the pew (sometimes with my hinder end against the seat), but when it comes to the altar rail, sometimes I can kneel, and sometimes I can’t. Sometimes (less than half the time, pretty much) I can genuflect, and sometimes I can’t. There is nothing obviously wrong with me, and I am not within 30 years of looking old enough that people would just assume I had a health issue. So I understand about not being able to kneel. In addition, the altar rails in my parish are narrow (front to back), unpadded marble. Sometimes, although I can kneel, I find out when I get down to my knees that it is going to be excruciating.

Obviously, at the moment, the whole issue of kneeling for Communion for me only applies when I attend EF Mass. I have no problem with people who want to kneel for Communion in an OF Mass even though it’s optional, but I shouldn’t be one of them.

I tell you what, though, neither the uncomfortable feeling when I stand, or when I bow instead of genuflecting, nor the pain when my knee unexpectedly stops working when I am down on it already, is even comparable to the pain of Christ on the cross. I find the unexpected pain to be a blessing in disguise, as I look at the Crucifix, receive Christ on my tongue, and unite my physical suffering with His in reparation for my many sins which put Him up there. The mental pain can work the same way, if I just can’t stop worrying about what people think (which happens).

Obedience is a duty. We can talk about whether it would be a good idea to make kneeling the ordinary posture for receiving Communion, just like we can talk about whether EMHCs are a good idea. But to leave the Church if either question is decided against our preference is apostasy, cutting yourself off from the Bride of Christ. A little mental discomfort, or even righteous indignation, seems to be insufficient reason for that.

–Jen

P.S. wouldn’t it have been a better idea for that priest to talk kindly to the person about the Christian duty of Charity? He scored more points by just walking away, but he is perhaps not as likely to have softened the heart of the poor uncharitable sinner who, like the rest of us sinners, is loved infinitely by God.
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Whoa…I just said how I could understand how the other poster would feel uncomfortable standing at the altar rail while everyone else is kneeling. You read **WAY **too much into my response. :ouch: Much as people read way too much into peoples postures without knowing the whole story…

PS Maybe the priest would have…and maybe he was avoiding a near occasion of sin…Priest are humans too…something too many of us forget…😃 As I recall my priest friend was already in a lot of pain having said two Masses that day…
 
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Annabelle_Marie said:
I think they have already indicated that they can not kneel…so to be standing there at the altar rail while everyone else is kneel would make some people uncomfortable.

I know a priest who had a cast on his knee and couldn’t kneel…or course you couldn’t see in under his vestments. After Mass one day he got such a lecture from someone who just lit into him…starting with “you liberal priests…you are what is wrong with the church”…Fr. just pulled up his vestment to show this man his cast…and turned and walked away.

Lets face it…people can be judgmental and unkind sometimes. I can understand how this poster would feel uncomfortable standing there.
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I spend an hour a day in adoration and someone came up to me and “informed me” that I should be kneeling in front of the monstrance when it get in and out of the pew. I explained that I have severe degenerative arthritis and they said, “well sometimes you just have to endure the pain”…they don’t get it, I will not be able to get up and the doctor has said that putting pressure on my knees isn’t good. Sadly have the same arthritis in my hip and my neck. It’s hereditary as my father has it and his neck is totally fused from it. I’ve had people say, “Maybe if you lose weight” and I have to launch into a long explanation of how this is NOT osteoarthritis. And how to you explain my neck then? Should my head lose weight. I get tired of the explanations ant this is in a church where we stand but a lot of people kneel and almost everyone already receives COTT. I would simply not be able to stand the constant barrage from certain people. Sorry I’m not a super holy person or not someone that can “endure” comments. I just do not want to go through all that.
 
Irishgal49 said:
I spend an hour a day in adoration and someone came up to me and “informed me” that I should be kneeling in front of the monstrance when it get in and out of the pew. I explained that I have severe degenerative arthritis and they said, “well sometimes you just have to endure the pain”…they don’t get it, I will not be able to get up and the doctor has said that putting pressure on my knees isn’t good. Sadly have the same arthritis in my hip and my neck. It’s hereditary as my father has it and his neck is totally fused from it. I’ve had people say, “Maybe if you lose weight” and I have to launch into a long explanation of how this is NOT osteoarthritis. And how to you explain my neck then? Should my head lose weight. I get tired of the explanations ant this is in a church where we stand but a lot of people kneel and almost everyone already receives COTT. I would simply not be able to stand the constant barrage from certain people. Sorry I’m not a super holy person or not someone that can “endure” comments. I just do not want to go through all that.
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I was just reading recently about St Therese of Lisieux and something that happened to her came to mind reading what you have experienced. She was on kitchen duty and her superior, for some reason that I can’t remember, ordered her to sit on the table and do nothing while she did the washing up. Anyway a group of nuns superior to both of them happened to come by and see Therese not helping, not realizing she had been ordered not to help and she was simply being obedient! They all made judgmental comments about her implying laziness etc and Therese felt humiliated but accepted it as suffering which would help her to grow in humility and she resisted the urge to defend herself.

I know you feel you can’t endure these comments right now, but I just thought I would share in case you relate. God sees the truth even if we are judged unjustly by others.
 
“God sees the truth even if we are judged unjustly by others.”

There it is.

There is no wrong in accepting communion as approved today by the CC. The wrong is in how each individual approachs this responsibility and how they preceive communion.

I have reservations about a few aspects, kneeling isn’t the one. Holding the Eucharist in the hands I never felt comforatble with, this is my own issue and do not have to hold the Eucharist in hand. However the proper approach to the Priest administering is where I see the lack of knowledge and sort of wanton behavior which is out of wack with Catholic teaching. I’m not judging these Souls. I just am convinced proper education should be added to the weekly news letter given out in all Catholic Churchs.

Peace
 
Irishgal49 said:
I spend an hour a day in adoration and someone came up to me and “informed me” that I should be kneeling in front of the monstrance when it get in and out of the pew. I explained that I have severe degenerative arthritis and they said, “well sometimes you just have to endure the pain”…they don’t get it, I will not be able to get up and the doctor has said that putting pressure on my knees isn’t good. Sadly have the same arthritis in my hip and my neck. It’s hereditary as my father has it and his neck is totally fused from it. I’ve had people say, “Maybe if you lose weight” and I have to launch into a long explanation of how this is NOT osteoarthritis. And how to you explain my neck then? Should my head lose weight. I get tired of the explanations ant this is in a church where we stand but a lot of people kneel and almost everyone already receives COTT. I would simply not be able to stand the constant barrage from certain people. Sorry I’m not a super holy person or not someone that can “endure” comments. I just do not want to go through all that.
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I think the best response to “well sometimes you just have to endure the pain” or “maybe if you lose weight” is to just stare at them with your mouth slightly open, as if their cluelessness is intensely bewildering to you, rendering you speechless. Just keep staring at them until they either get their leg into their mouth up to the knee or they find their own way to excuse themselves and walk off. Otherwise, if they just keep babbling, you could eventually just shake your head in bewilderment and wander away. Or you could say, “I… I just don’t even know what to say to a comment like that, I just don’t know where…I’m just without words” and then wander away, repeating your bewildered refusal to respond as necessary.

(I am now picturing your assailant repeating this interchange to her husband at the breakfast table. I hope that when the victim tries to stifle his honest response, the coffee doesn’t come out of his nose.)

I shouldn’t be that way, but I just wanted to point out that you could be thankful that you don’t have to share your kitchen or your bed with a busybody like that!
 
Even if the Church mandated participation in inane polls such as this one, I still wouldn’t leave her.
 
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