Would you like to see a phasing out of the Novus Ordo Missae leading to a return to only the TLM?

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15 centuries… in any case, there is something to be said of a language that was selected by the holy spirit for the use of keeping unity.
That I can understand. No, the apostles did not start out with the Latin Mass at the begining of the first century.

There is something to be said for it. Latin will always have a special place in the liturgy of the Church. It is the Holy Spirit that guided us, and still guides us today.
 
15 centuries… in any case, there is something to be said of a language that was selected by the holy spirit for the use of keeping unity.

In any case, having a liturgical language is something that was handed down to us from our Jewish ancestors. The idea of a liturgical language is indeed older than the Church.
Yeah, but the problem is that nobody seems to want to go back to Hebrew or Greek. 😉
 
I think I just figured it out. I notice that Canada is the domicile of some of those who oppose the changes in the Church. Long ago I was warned that the Canadian Catholics were going in an errant direction. I can see and understand now where some of this is coming from. If I lived there and were going through what some, much more learned than I, have described to me, I might feel the same way. However, that does not mean the Church in the United States is going in the same direction. I have known one priest, on a trip to religious shrines in Europe who thought nothing was wrong with abortion. He was in a Canadian parish. My discussions with him frightened me. Maybe this bit of info can give understanding. We pray for you. Know that the Catholic Church in America is still strong.
Deacon Ed B
 
I think I just figured it out. I notice that Canada is the domicile of some of those who oppose the changes in the Church. Long ago I was warned that the Canadian Catholics were going in an errant direction. I can see and understand now where some of this is coming from. If I lived there and were going through what some, much more learned than I, have described to me, I might feel the same way. However, that does not mean the Church in the United States is going in the same direction. I have known one priest, on a trip to religious shrines in Europe who thought nothing was wrong with abortion. He was in a Canadian parish. My discussions with him frightened me. Maybe this bit of info can give understanding. We pray for you. Know that the Catholic Church in America is still strong.
Deacon Ed B
Yes well its all well and good to oppose abortion, but what about the thousands of youth who were confirmed without any knowledge of The Precepts of the Church, The Holy days, or even the basic Dogmas. Heck, i was confirmed, firmly believing that religious reletivism was a CHurch teaching! I was confirmed whilst holding to one of the greatest modern heresies! Plus many young people dont know what Adoration is! sure we can go to DC every year and shout “Save the babies!” and “Hey. Ho Ho! Roe v Wade has got to go!” but without actual knowledge of our faith…well i just fear for the future of catechesis thats all.
 
I was curious, is it is the hope of anyone here eventually have the Church totally revert back to pre-Vatican II liturgies, eventually eliminating the newer form of the Mass.
It’s not my hope at all. I would like to the Pauline Mass more widely offered in Latin and TLM offered as long as there is a desire for it.
 
I think I just figured it out. I notice that Canada is the domicile of some of those who oppose the changes in the Church. Long ago I was warned that the Canadian Catholics were going in an errant direction. I can see and understand now where some of this is coming from. If I lived there and were going through what some, much more learned than I, have described to me, I might feel the same way. However, that does not mean the Church in the United States is going in the same direction. I have known one priest, on a trip to religious shrines in Europe who thought nothing was wrong with abortion. He was in a Canadian parish. My discussions with him frightened me. Maybe this bit of info can give understanding. We pray for you. Know that the Catholic Church in America is still strong.
Deacon Ed B
You’re right, I know the fruits of liberal Catholicism from firsthand experience. Stay away from it, far, far away.
 
Nobody wants to go back to anything. Latin is still the official language of our liturgical rite.
Nobody is a big word. Once you raise the idea of a liturgical language, handed down, then the question is how far back you want to go. Obviously, the language “handed on” by the Jews who became the earliest Christians was Hebrew, not Latin. Paul’s letter to the Romans was written in Greek, not Latin. None of the canon of Scripture was originally written in Latin. The Mass was in Greek, and the Kyrie still is. Up until about Pope Gregory the Great’s time, those with an education in the Western Church required themselves to know Greek. That’s the first six centuries, and a lot of our formative theology. Would it be so bad to shake off the vestiges of the secular empire of Rome, to return to the pastoral language of the first Popes? And speaking of unity, surely we could unify more easily with the Orthodox, if we in the West required ourselves to go back to Greek.

I say this tongue-in-cheek, because I know what chance a snowball has in an oven, but I’m not entirely joking. Sure, it would be easier to have Latin, were we to unify all our liturgies under a single language, since Latin is the starting point for our vernacular liturgies now, but it has been pointed out on this forum that the easiest route is not necessarily the best, has it not? If we’re going to use a single liturgical language, why not Greek? Other than sheer inertial mass, does Latin really have the best claim? It would seem to me that the strongest arguments favor either worshiping in the local vernacular or else returning to Greek.

Well, OK, Latin does have nice vowels for singing, too. I’ll spot it that, and concede that it is no small thing. Still, the thought of hearing the epistles and Gospel proclaimed in their original language…you have to admit, it is thrilling, is it not?
 
That I can understand. No, the apostles did not start out with the Latin Mass at the begining of the first century. There is something to be said for it.
That’s probably because Cicero had all the copyrights. 😃
 
You’re right, I know the fruits of liberal Catholicism from firsthand experience. Stay away from it, far, far away.
Just what is “liberal Catholicism?” Can you give me a URL from a reputable website that gives the definition? Thanks.
 
I think I just figured it out. I notice that Canada is the domicile of some of those who oppose the changes in the Church. Long ago I was warned that the Canadian Catholics were going in an errant direction. I can see and understand now where some of this is coming from. If I lived there and were going through what some, much more learned than I, have described to me, I might feel the same way. However, that does not mean the Church in the United States is going in the same direction. I have known one priest, on a trip to religious shrines in Europe who thought nothing was wrong with abortion. He was in a Canadian parish. My discussions with him frightened me. Maybe this bit of info can give understanding. We pray for you. Know that the Catholic Church in America is still strong.
Deacon Ed B
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I was curious, is it is the hope of anyone here eventually have the Church totally revert back to pre-Vatican II liturgies, eventually eliminating the newer form of the Mass.
Absolutely, Yes !
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Yes well its all well and good to oppose abortion, but what about the thousands of youth who were confirmed without any knowledge of The Precepts of the Church, The Holy days, or even the basic Dogmas. Heck, i was confirmed, firmly believing that religious reletivism was a CHurch teaching! I was confirmed whilst holding to one of the greatest modern heresies! Plus many young people dont know what Adoration is! sure we can go to DC every year and shout “Save the babies!” and “Hey. Ho Ho! Roe v Wade has got to go!” but without actual knowledge of our faith…well i just fear for the future of catechesis thats all.
Did you take a moment to realize just how disjointed your posting is? Exactly what were you trying to say to the Deacon?

So often I see postings that make a claim – seemingly valid ones. They are then challenged by postings like your own that just sorta wander in different directions without ever going anywhere. They often rely on emotion and hyperbole to do nothing really but vent and sometimes obfuscate.

So what was your point?
 
Still, the thought of hearing the epistles and Gospel proclaimed in their original language…you have to admit, it is thrilling, is it not?
You may have a good point there, especially where conversations are concerned. The movie The Passion of Christ is a good example of this.
 
When did the Holy Spirit tell you that only Latin was acceptable?.
Well, actually Vatican II did mention it, that Latin would be retained in the liturgy. It didn’t mention any other language by name or maybe I missed it somehow.
 
Well,** actually Vatican II did mention it, that Latin would be retained in the liturgy**. It didn’t mention any other language by name or maybe I missed it somehow.
Look closely at what you typed. I highlighted it for easy reference. To say (in writing) that one language is to be retained, does not exclude others from being used.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
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