Would you move for religious asylum/freedom?

[ccmcmg]

Naah; just round up all the yuppies, greenies etc. and send them to Oklahoma

ICXC NIKA

Kansas thanks you for that.

Seconded. The mid-west is still holding semi-strong, and Texas is doing alright. We just have to kick out Austin and we should be good

Texas works for me. It’s big enough for quite a few!

The problem with this question is: If the United States changes to this degree, what country would be better? There would be no place for asylum/freedom?

Agreed. But it would be better to be free in a poor country than rich in an oppressed one.

Well, there are more of “Them” than there are of you, for one.

I firmly expect to be in Purgatory before the US even begins its comeback. Think of years starting with “21.”

Y’all are all welcome in TX!!! We need the extra electoral votes!!!

We aren’t going to secede though. We learned our lesson in that 1861 scrap.

Still, we may be the last bastion of 18/1900s Americanism left. Come on over!!

ICXC NIKA

( PS. Loved your fifth poll option, OP. LOL!!!)

Well, 6 of you liked the last option enough, out of 19, that option is winning. Pffffft

There are MANY reasons to want to leave, not just religious freedom. The way I see it is this: Why should I leave??? They’re the ones that are wrong. Let them drive me out of my own country? NEVER!

I would countinue to practice my faith openly and honestly.

Woe is he who tries to stop me.

I understand that. But the ‘powers that be’, remember, have many organizational options and ummmm, spying options that we wouldn’t have to be able to organize. You think China has restrictions? Woe to those that disagree with the government…ask Snowden, ask the IRS victims…

They didn’t have that option either.

I really consider moving or secession as a last resort. I would rather fight to preserve (or win back) religious liberty than to admit defeat and go somewhere else.

I’m so sorry; that is true. I apologize to the Native Americans. However, there were less inhabitants here, and less ‘establishment’.

I would like to think I would die for my faith…with God’s grace.

True. I told someone I would die for my Faith, our Savior, and he was taken aback. After all, Jesus died for us!

 

[rfournier103]

There are MANY reasons to want to leave, not just religious freedom. The way I see it is this: Why should I leave??? They’re the ones that are wrong. Let them drive me out of my own country? NEVER!

I would countinue to practice my faith openly and honestly.

Woe is he who tries to stop me.

Well, there are more of “Them” than there are of you, for one.

I firmly expect to be in Purgatory before the US even begins its comeback. Think of years starting with “21.”

Y’all are all welcome in TX!!! We need the extra electoral votes!!!

We aren’t going to secede though. We learned our lesson in that 1861 scrap.

Still, we may be the last bastion of 18/1900s Americanism left. Come on over!!

ICXC NIKA

( PS. Loved your fifth poll option, OP. LOL!!!)

True, there ARE more of them, but being outnumbered doesn’t bother me. As long as there’s a priest locally to celebrate the Mass and administer the Sacraments, I won’t be relocating. I will be publicly practicing my faith any and every way I can.

I lived in Texas for two years (2009-2010). Most texans were very kind to me, although I did encounter a handful of people rather anti-Catholic in nature. What’s THAT all about?

To stem the tide of the anti-religious movement in the US, we need to step away from our computers and TVs, and VOTE. If we can’t find good canidates, we need to create them. Without serious backing in Congress, we’re just a fringe extremist group that’s a nuisance. I voted in today’s congressional special election in Massachusetts. I wonder how many others did…

 

[andrewstx]

What exactly is the government doing that specifically targets the Catholic Church?

I would like to know that as well. Even though fundamentalists and evangelicals are extremely dominant in Texas. We still have Catholic churches in nearly every town, open for Mass and the sacraments. No Catholic is required by law to abort their children, and SSM have not been and will not be forced on us.

So I don’t understand what the big deal could possibly be.

If something tragic happened (very unlikely) I would have to go underground since I am poor, disabled and can’t afford to move.

 

[minkymurph]

I will not sacrifice my beliefs for popularity or political correctness. I am Catholic, I believe in God - get over it. Can’t get over it? Don’t talk to me I won’t talk to you.

I live in predominantly Protestant town in Ireland. If anyone doesn’t like my beliefs, fine. No, I would not move. If my life or my kids lives were in danger I would consider it.

I want to be openly Catholic. If I cant’t, I’ll just get on with it as we did for many years in Belfast.

 

[Rence]

What exactly is the government doing that specifically targets the Catholic Church?

I’m not targeted as a Catholic. I can practice my religion as always. What I can’t do is make someone else conform to the rules of the Church. I guess if I were to base my freedom on the ability to control others’ actions, then yeah, I’d be targeted. But since I don’t…

 

[ccmcmg]

What exactly is the government doing that specifically targets the Catholic Church?

Please see the above links, that show how the Church is being targeted.

 

[Least]

Texas? Like cowboys and stuff? That’s not my America!

Gotta get out more. Texas lacks nothing of other states, except that narrow vision.

 

[Least]

“Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia and Africa have long expelled her,
Europe regards her like a stranger, and England hath given her warning to depart. O!
receive the fugitive, and prepare in time an asylum for mankind.” (Paine, Common Sense pg.
37).

 

[Marie5890]

I am wondering just where that asylum would be. In any case my answer is no. I love my country and I would stay and work toward an end of such stupidity.

And what country has more religious freedom?

 

[devoutchristian]

And what country has more religious freedom?

There are plenty of countries that don’t make conspiracy to commit murder a legal obligation.

 

[JuantheTuba]

I would do all…

First, I would openly worship in public, in defiance, once I’ve been thrown in to jail a couple of times I’ll stop and take it underground, if I’m not killed and martyred.

Once I’m underground I’ll risk it for as long as I can, until I’m caught, if ever, if I’m not killed and martyred.

Once I can’t continue to wait it out in secret, I’ll resurface, band up with others, try to secede, but if that fails, then I guess I’ll have to leave, if I’m not killed and martyred.

Once I’m forced out of the country I’ll move somewhere were I can openly be a Christian, and live out the rest of my earthly life, if I’m not killed and martyred.

And at some point in my golden years, I’ll still make the OP a tinfoil hat as joke… if I’m not killed and martyred.

 

[CrossofChrist]

Sure.

Hopefully it doesn’t get that bad.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Our founding fathers came to America for that reason (one of the reasons), but we don’t have an option of a country that is uninhabited…

Just for clarification: There are many devoutly Catholic Native Americans, among them the Archbishop of Philadelphia, who would take issue with the assertion that the continent was “uninhibited.”

There is no place to flee.

 

[GEddie]

Just for clarification: There are many devoutly Catholic Native Americans, among them the Archbishop of Philadelphia, who would take issue with the assertion that the continent was “uninhibited.”

There is no place to flee.

Big deal. There has not been since 1900, except for specific cases such as wartime draft dodging.

For the most part, except as led personally by God, we should live out our life where He has placed us.

ICXC NIKA

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Big deal. There has not been since 1900, except for specific cases such as wartime draft dodging.

For the most part, except as led personally by God, we should live out our life where He has placed us.

ICXC NIKA

I’m not sure of what you mean by “big deal,” but I agree with your assertion.

When I say there is no place to flee, I mean that there is essentially only the decadent West or the East, where there is the infection of radical Islam. Where else would there be? Communist China? Mexico and South America are on the same road to radical secularization. Africa? Radical Islam again.

I suppose there’s Anartica, but even if it could independently sustain human life, the tree-hugging Green Peace types (and the governments that control that continent) would never allow it and I’d rather die for my faith than for discommoding some penguins.

 

[L_Marshall]

If I had absolutely no choice, and I was forced on a boat, I’d want it to go to Malta. 94% of the population is Roman Catholic, ~50% of them attend Mass regularly (according to Wikipedia). Abortion and same-sex marriage is illegal.

 

[Marie5890]

There are plenty of countries that don’t make conspiracy to commit murder a legal obligation.

Religious freedom is broader than that however.

What other countries are out there that have greater religious freedoms in their totality?

 

[Marie5890]

If I had absolutely no choice, and I was forced on a boat, I’d want it to go to Malta. 94% of the population is Roman Catholic, ~50% of them attend Mass regularly (according to Wikipedia). Abortion and same-sex marriage is illegal.

I appreciate someone at least pointing to another country and just not some quick general statement

 

[Cojuanco]

Religious freedom is broader than that however.

What other countries are out there that have greater religious freedoms in their totality?

Well, there is the Philippines, the land of my birth. I could reclaim my citizenship there easily (because I was born there). Not only is abortion illegal (it’s in their constitution) not only is same-sex marriage illegal, but so is divorce (there are annulments, which work very much like those in the church, but with secular effect, as well as separation but with the bond remaining). Adultery is illegal technically (except for the Muslim areas, where it is not so technical). I can’t remember the statistics, but Catholicism is still vibrant there, and the churches are packed.

Realistically though, I’m not going to flee just yet. If God tells me to flee, I will. But until such time, the anticlericals will have to pry me out of the country so long as the Church effectively exists above ground. Or perhaps I’d go back home in retirement, to fuss over the grandchildren.

 

[Marie5890]

Well, there is the Philippines, the land of my birth…

Im a 40+ year paraplegic. The Philippines has a long way to go to be accessible for those of us with disabilities, not to mention have the level of health care that I need, so I wouldnt go there personally.

But I can understand why you would chose to move back to your native land.