Would you prefer to live in a Catholic theocracy?

[Kaninchen]

if you are ever offered an “opportunity” to live in a fascist country, decline the offer. You will be glad that you did.

Don’t know whether that’s always good advice - sociopaths, people who like to pry on and report others and people who like to wear uniforms could find it rather convivial, sociopathic sneaks who like to wear uniforms would be in paradise.

 

[Montalban]

Don’t know whether that’s always good advice - sociopaths, people who like to pry on and report others and people who like to wear uniforms could find it rather convivial, sociopathic sneaks who like to wear uniforms would be in paradise.

That’s what drew me!

 

[rr1213]

Don’t know whether that’s always good advice - sociopaths, people who like to pry on and report others and people who like to wear uniforms could find it rather convivial, sociopathic sneaks who like to wear uniforms would be in paradise.

Good point, I hadn’t thought about that…

 

[johnstown_johnn]

Don’t know whether that’s always good advice - sociopaths, people who like to pry on and report others and people who like to wear uniforms could find it rather convivial, sociopathic sneaks who like to wear uniforms would be in paradise.

But that is EXACTLY how COMMUNISTS operate.

 

[rr1213]

But that is EXACTLY how COMMUNISTS operate.

…and so do the fascists. The communists are tyrants on the left side of the political spectrum and the fascists are tyrants on the right side of the political spectrum. Actualy, instead of the political spectrum being linear, like this:

Communists___Left____Democracy__Right__Fascists

…think of the political spectrum as a circle where the left and the right come together. With such a circle, the political philosophies which are the most intolerant of liberty are right next to each other, i.e., the communists and the fascists.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

The citation doesn’t distinguish between political parties of Jews, just that they were Jews.

Making your quip about a work of fiction more like pot calling kettle black.

Not making the distinction is a deliberate narrowing of the facts in order to damn the good leader Franco and tarnish his character. The implication is to portray Franco as an anti-Semite to buttress your lame assertions. Communists are fellow travelers and include many ethnic groups on ideology. Karl Marx was a Jew but he is anathema NOT because he was Jewish; it is because of his Godless, violent, oppressive philosophy. And that is exactly why Franco stood tall and fought off that evil attempt to takeover Spain.

Get your perceptions straight, Sir and stop, please, the propaganda.

Franco was a warrior for a holy cause. A hero to his Country.

 

[rr1213]

Get your perceptions straight, Sir and stop, please, the propaganda.

Franco was a warrior for a holy cause. A hero to his Country.

Read something other than pro-Franco propaganda:

“Above all, Franco endeavored to remove all vestiges of parliamentary democracy, which he perceived to be alien to Spanish political traditions. He outlawed political parties, blaming them for the chaotic conditions that had preceded the Civil War. He eliminated universal suffrage and severely limited the freedoms of expression and association; he viewed criticism of the regime as treason.”

lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdyfield(DOCID+es0033

“After Franco’s victory the executions continued with another 20,000 estimated victims. Recent searches with parallel excavations of mass graves in Spain estimate that the total of people executed after the war may even arrive to a number between 15,000 to 27,000.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco

commondreams.org/views06/0908-32.htm

 

[Titus]

Were they communists? If so, only those that were communists…this was NOT an ethnic assault; it was purely political. Same goes for ethnic Spaniards who were communists. Trying to create a Holocaust/persecution attachment to Spain and its beloved leader is outrageous and mendacious.

Your recollection of history is absurd and is like something out of a Tom Clancy novel.

No ethnic group was persecuted by Franco. He was a fair and Christian leader whose base bneliefs were mercy and kindness. Franco was a fine example of a Christian defending his Country from the scourge of communism. Could be that is why the leftists rewrote history. You are a product of that revisionist history or so it seems.

Where do you get this stuff?

Praised be the Holy Trinity

Did you even read the post you replied to? He wasn’t talking about Franco’s Spain, but Mussolini’s Italy. The two were different, you know. Or is that revisionist leftist history too? Mussolini persecuted the Jews. Franco wasn’t that bad, but he did do horrible things to his political enemies.

 

[Kaninchen]

But that is EXACTLY how COMMUNISTS operate.

So you share those tendencies with your opponents - though (probably) with more capital letters.

 

[Exalt]

The thread is about Catholic theocracy; you seemed to have forgotten that. Under a secular society where everything goes there’s plenty of those to accomodate.

A Catholic theocracy gives Christian people a choice of separating themselves from the secular. Under a society predicated under God’s will deviancy is not allowed. You do not have to live in that kind of society…for me, I would love it.

As for “…outlaw a kiss…” it is a public display that is out of synch with nature and morals…a lot like streaking (running around nude in front of a captive audience.

I wouldn’t buy any real estate in Soddom & Gomorrah, woulld you?

Oh, I see. You wouldn’t transform the any current state into a Theocracy, you would just create one.

EDIT: Actually, the OP clearly said a country would be transformed into a theocracy: “If there was an opportunity to vote for, or establish the Pope as President of the US in 2008…”

But where would you live? Would you take over Texas? Canada? Russia? You’d have to kick *someone *out. Someone would lose thier home… Or be forced to live under your government.

So what other actions would you outlaw? How about cursing? That’s out of sync with morals and natural law, right?

 

[johnstown_johnn]

Oh, I see. You wouldn’t transform the any current state into a Theocracy, you would just create one.

EDIT: Actually, the OP clearly said a country would be transformed into a theocracy: “If there was an opportunity to vote for, or establish the Pope as President of the US in 2008…”

But where would you live? Would you take over Texas? Canada? Russia? You’d have to kick *someone *out. Someone would lose thier home… Or be forced to live under your government.

So what other actions would you outlaw? How about cursing? That’s out of sync with morals and natural law, right?

A small island would be sufficient.

Let’s not go overboard. A CT cannot outlaw sin; it can only structure a society with the norms of living Christian lives.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

Read something other than pro-Franco propaganda:

“Above all, Franco endeavored to remove all vestiges of parliamentary democracy, which he perceived to be alien to Spanish political traditions. He outlawed political parties, blaming them for the chaotic conditions that had preceded the Civil War. He eliminated universal suffrage and severely limited the freedoms of expression and association; he viewed criticism of the regime as treason.”

lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdyfield(DOCID+es0033

“After Franco’s victory the executions continued with another 20,000 estimated victims. Recent searches with parallel excavations of mass graves in Spain estimate that the total of people executed after the war may even arrive to a number between 15,000 to 27,000.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco

commondreams.org/views06/0908-32.htm

Those executed were not victims; they were adversaries bent on destroying Spain and her allegiance to Chrisy.

Those were tried and convicted and received their just due…most were guilty of murder (revolutionaries sometims do murder, for your information).

There were substantial reasons why they were tried and not one reason was because they might have been jewish. Get real!

 

[rr1213]

Those executed were not victims; they were adversaries bent on destroying Spain and her allegiance to Chrisy.

Those were tried and convicted and received their just due…most were guilty of murder (revolutionaries sometims do murder, for your information).

There were substantial reasons why they were tried and not one reason was because they might have been jewish. Get real!

When you live in a dictatorship, merely pointing out the existence of the dictatorship is, in itself, usually a crime against the State worthy of death or imprisonment.

If you honestly believe that all of the victims of Franco’s Spain were criminals and revolutionaries who received due process and were justly convicted, then you are sadly and unfortunately deceived.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

When you live in a dictatorship, merely pointing out the existence of the dictatorship is, in itself, usually a crime against the State worthy of death or imprisonment.

If you honestly believe that all of the victims of Franco’s Spain were criminals and revolutionaries who received due process and were justly convicted, then you are sadly and unfortunately deceived.

Yes, I do believe the convicted received due process. That is what Franco was: a just, Christian, honest man and a great warrior, patriot and hero.

When he took the reigns of government in Madrid the crowd waiving handkerchiefs were so numerous it filled everyone with emotional joy. Spain was an honorabl;e country and by the prayers of the people and the grace of God Spain was spared from evils of Marxism. God used Franco to spare this great Country and its people.

The accusations of unfairness against Franco, following his glorious victory over the Marxists, have been over the years, denigrated by the leftists in the media and revisionists. So that many of you that have read the revisionists accounts have been deceived and are now walking around with a distorted history.

What the world needs now are more brave and Godly men like Franco.

 

[distracted]

No way!

(as if that wouldn’t be my obvious answer )

Let the Church govern the Church and concern itself with spiritual affairs; leave the state and temporal duties to the state. After all, we supposedly possess free will, and a theocracy of any stripe would be an attempt to nullify that. And given the dissension and mismanagement already apparent in the Church, it’s got enough on its plate as it stands.

The only problem is that in the U.S. many states (hopefully not all) don’t even adhereto the Constitution… Poor people are treated differently by the “justice” system than rich people… So maybe some Christianity in government would be called for…

 

[johnstown_johnn]

The only problem is that in the U.S. many states (hopefully not all) don’t even adhereto the Constitution… Poor people are treated differently by the “justice” system than rich people… So maybe some Christianity in government would be called for…

The State here in Ameica is demanding that catholic hospitals perform abortions… That is a clear intervention of a secular entity setting rules for a spiritual.

It would be enormously better to live in a catholic theocracy. many more examples of State intrusion against the Church exist.

 

[Montalban]

The State here in Ameica is demanding that catholic hospitals perform abortions… That is a clear intervention of a secular entity setting rules for a spiritual.

And if a minority deem that they have the religious right to commit murder, should the state intervene?

 

[johnstown_johnn]

And if a minority deem that they have the religious right to commit murder,

How did you arrive at that nexus? This is muddled logic.

 

[Titus]

johnstown johnn, you are still mixing up Italy and Spain. No-one said the victims of Franco were all Jews- they were political enemies executed for their part in a war. Answer me this. In a just war, can you start the war, as a war of aggression? That is what Franco did. Can you kill civilians viciously, as Franco did? I’m not defending the Communists: but let’s be clear about what Franco did.

 

[johnstown_johnn]

“Viciously/” Is there a kinder, gentler way to destroy enemies one to the other? Doesn’t “visiously” apply to the interloping communists? Or is it a one-way view that Franco, a Spaniard, defended his country from outside invaders that wanted to overthrow Spain and make it a Marxist State?