Would you support it if the Civil Law Give Right for Husband to Consent to/ Forbid Wife's Abortion

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So if a woman is found trying to find illegal abortion clinic, then what? Send her to prison together with her fetus? How to establish fetus right without respecting the mother’s right?
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
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Send her to prison together with her fetus?
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That doesn’t matter and being practical should take place over technicalities.
francisca.chapter3 said:
How to establish fetus right without respecting the mother’s right?
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The same way the husband can pretty much do the same thing except with a few necessary tweaks.
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I still don’t get it. Please elaborate.
 
If a husband can violate the women’s privacy, then evidently doing so isn’t an issue.
 
The husband isn’t stranger to woman & fetus. She chose to marry him. He chose to marry her. He parent the fetus.
 
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If the state can tell (in an unrelated example) that a man should be jailed for drunk driving then it doesn’t matter if it’s a stranger or not.
 
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Might as well skip the husband and outlaw abortion.
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Again, how is it “more prolife” a cause by skipping the husband, but give strangers right to decide for woman & her fetus?

Please remember Jesus say husband and wife are no longer two, but one body (Mark 10, Genesis 2, 1Corinth 7:4).

With these verses, my argument: woman’s privacy is protected under marriage privacy
 
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Again, how is it “more prolife” a cause by skipping the husband, but give strangers right to decide for woman & her fetus?

Please remember Jesus say husband and wife are no longer two, but one body (Mark 10, Genesis 2, 1Corinth 7:4)
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The Bible is also against killing so there is only one choice in the first place. Whoever makes it doesn’t matter.
 
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The Bible is also against killing so there is only one choice in the first place. Whoever makes it doesn’t matter.
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But by demanding two signatures, instead of one, there will be less abortion within marriage.

Besides, woman privacy right is not about giving permission to abort, it also warrant her right to decide not to abort without any strangers interference.
 
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That doesn’t make sense. By letting the state outlaw it then there will be even less abortions because it will
  1. be over fetuses conceived outside of marriage
  2. there is no option for them to have an abortion formally
 
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The immediate context, of course:

1 cor 7:2 But because of the temptation to immorality…

…your verse here…

1 cor 7:5 Do not refuse one another except perhaps by agreement for a season, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, lest Satan tempt you through lack of self-control.
 
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The immediate context, of course:

1 cor 7:2 But because of the temptation to immorality…

…your verse here…

1 cor 7:5 Do not refuse one another except perhaps by agreement for a season, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, lest Satan tempt you through lack of self-control.
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You are ignoring the context of Mark 10:8 & genesis 2:24 which say man & his wife are no longer two, but one body
 
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VanitasVanitatum said:
That doesn’t make sense. By letting the state outlaw it then there will be even less abortions
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Not really true. The reason of many abotion is not womans privacy right.

As long as porn & over-sexualized culture continues, there will be many unwanted pregnancy. And without woman privacy right, there may be more gruesome future than what we already have now.
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because it will
  1. be over fetuses conceived outside of marriage
  2. there is no option for them to have an abortion formally.
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Not true. As long as there are many unwanted pregnancy, there will be many abortions. And without womans privacy right, there will be men/ institutions coerce women to abort their pregnancy against their will.

If the church educate woman about life, most women will choose life. And if the church teach man about life, most men would choose to have sex within marriage, I hope.
 
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This idea is a classic example of the legal maxim: “Hard cases make bad law.”

This law would further enshrine the idea that a child’s continuing existence after conception is a matter for parental decision, not a right of the child himself or herself. No, I couldn’t support that.

That is what Roe v. Wade got wrong, after all.
 
I agree that Jesus and the OT talk about one body. I don’t think talking about needing two signatures for an abortion is the expected use of 1cor 7:3,4. An abortion is wrong. It is murder. 1cor 7 is not needed for that. It is wrong, no matter how many signatures. Neither the father nor the mother should be signing.

A one body argument seems better suited, if at all, to all medical procedures across the board for either party, if that is how you wish to argue.
 
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Based on the principle, we as Christ followers, we do not believe that we own our body. Our body is the temple of God. So, even if we decides that our life is not worth living, suicide is not an option, simply because we do not own our body neither our life. Both body and life belongs to God, therefore, euthanasia, suicide cannot be permitted, despite my own body & my own life.
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Agreed. Abortion is a most serious Sin… Peddled and Nudged by Satan.
 
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A one body argument seems better suited, if at all, to all medical procedures across the board for either party, if that is how you wish to argue.
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One body argument in the context of sexual matters between husband and wife.

IMHO I suppose it is fair to expect doctor to tell the wife if the husband gets STD, for example, and the other way round, and so logically, discourage adulterous behavior.
 
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And without womans privacy right, there will be men/ institutions coerce women to abort their pregnancy against their will.
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How does woman’s privacy prevent men from doing that?
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This is to my understanding: the privacy right give woman the right to decide whether she decide to abort or not to abort her pregnancy. Nobody else can force her to abort or not to abort, with limitation to mother health condition (med doctor can order abortion if it endanger mothers life) and late term of pregnancy (the last trimester abortion is not allowed).
 
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