Would you support mandatory tracking devices on all new cars?

[tabycat]

Why are you guys still here?

LOVE!

Maybe we don’t think that you are a complet lost cause.

 

[Robert_Sock]

betanews.com/2014/03/11/whos-driving-your-car-avg-warns-about-connected-vehicles/

Who’s driving your car? AVG warns about connected vehicles

It’s not all doom and gloom – nobody showed a hack that will let the perpetrator literally take over your car. But who controls the data being collected by said vehicle is certainly a security concern. The security company’s Judith Bitterli spoke during the meeting and then put her thoughts together in a quick post.

Bitterli brings up some interesting concerns, and ones that the average driver has likely not considered. “On top of security, the biggest issue I foresee is that we have to get to the root of the data – how are we going to collect it, safeguard it, and take control of the privacy? Technology will resolve the security, but AVG would like vehicle manufacturers to be clear about what data they are collecting and how they are using it. We’d also like them to be clear about what’s being done with the data if the car is resold or traded. Can there be a mechanism to reset the vehicle to factory default upon ownership change?”, she states.

I would be very interested in what data are being collected, and whether it includes a tracking device.

 

[kingston1]

Why would they seek this information from you if are a law abiding citizen?

Just because you aren’t doing anything wrong doesn’t mean there aren’t a number of reasons not to do this.

There could be any number of reasons someone would abuse this information, personal gain, blackmail, under duress.

People who safeguard the information could be threatened to turn over the information to gangs or groups who would pay for it. Hit men could pay for it or get the information. Foreign interests would want this information to track people they had interest in learning about.

The information could be hacked and sold and used for any number of reasons, a black market for this information could be sold for a high value.

Not everyone in our government is loyal to our ideals, they could use the information for personal reasons, sell the information. Infiltrators would get hired into positions just so they could get the information.

Someone in a position of authority (a judge, a congressman, a commissioner, an inspector, etc., a government contracting officer) could be blackmailed if they routinely went places they shouldn’t, places of ill repute for example.

“Dissidents”/whistleblowers could be tracked to identify weaknesses, patterns that could lead to their demise e.g. they frequent certain places, they are committing adultery, they use illegal drugs, they went to a bar and that information is used to pull them over afterwards… all those things are not good but not all are illegal.

There are a number of ways to track people’s locations today but knowing the location of one’s car could lead to many unintended consequences.

Most people don’t realize it I’m sure but their whole life is already open to anyone who wants it, your social network page, your credit card statements, your political contributions, your internet usage, your affiliations… you are an open book as it is, so despite this being a bad idea, I don’t know if it would make things worse or have no effect. There is no way to know so better to err on the side of caution and say “no”.

 

[MarkInOregon]

You are 180 degrees out of phase. Socialism is the government taking what you have to give it to those who they think need it. Love is you yourself seeing the need and taking care of it yourself.

But talk of love and socialism is off-topic; the original topic was tracking devices on cars. Great idea, if you enjoy living in a dictatorship. Bad idea in a free society.

I don’t think that is an accurate portrail of what socialism is but rather the misconception that many hold – the statement contains a grain of truth. I understand socialism to to be an economic theory which advocates the collective or governmental ownership of and administration of the means of production and distributions of goods–which I would posit is a little different than what you have claimed it to be. The failure of the above to be done well does not necessarily invalidate the theory any more than the failure of Christians to live up to their Christian beliefs invalidates Christianity. If we want others to accurately reflect what Catholicism is and teaches in our discussions with them–we should extend the same courtesy when discussing other faiths or economic systems and not attack it for what we believe it to be rather than what it is.

The peace of Christ,
Mark

 

[MarkInOregon]

My bank account information is not linked to my SSN. The NSA may have access to that information but if they do, they got it illegally and unconstitutionally.

My car insurance is not linked to my SSN or my driver’s license, it is on my registration.

You need to go back to school and to a civics class. Nothing trumps the Constitution, not even national security. Those rights are guaranteed and the government cannot infringe on them, even in the name of national security or the “good” of society.

Do you have any proof that SSN’s are attached to credit and debit card data? If so, they need a warrant to subpoena that information. It’s called the Fourth Amendment.

Could you let me know where you bank, and get your credit cards, mortgage and insurance–where you are not required to provide your SSN? I’d be interested in doing business with those companies. What ID# is attached to your credit report? If you’ve provided your SSN to any of those companies in order to secure their product–your SSN is linked to that data.

The peace of Christ,
Mark