Would you vote for Hillary Clinton if she ran for president???

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Catholic2003:
It’s hard to tell in this instance, because Catholic teaching is that we are to be pro-life.

The best way to determine whether someone is a Catholic first or a Republican first is to take an issue where Catholic teaching is in opposition to the Republican party platform, and see who supports the Catholic side and who supports the Republican side. For example, this thread on the Minnesota bishops’ teaching on moral dimensions of public policy relating to budget and tax issues.
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Unfortunately, you cannot use one particular group of Bishops for this test.

In order for teaching to be binding, the Bishops must be in communion with the Pope, the Bishop of Rome. This requires:

A) That the Vatican has a doctrinal/moral teaching on the matter
B) The Bishops are in communion with it

There have been many Bishops in the past(in fact a majority of Bishops during the early heresy days) that taught doctrines outside of communion with the Pope and the Magisterium.
 
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Brad:
Unfortunately, you cannot use one particular group of Bishops for this test.
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Canon 753 debunks this argument quite thoroughly. See the referenced thread for more details.
 
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FightingFat:
From my time here I have learned that most members of the forum are of the opinion that you can’t be a Democrat, a liberal or left wing and be a Catholic. Is that correct folks?
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You don’t have the problem of deciding whether or not to vote for Hillary, but I dare say you must have proabortion candidates over there in Europe. Would you even have a choice anymore? Just curious if they are all prodeath? Just wondering since you never mention your proabortion candidates.
 
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Norwich:
What a fascinating string. As a European I don’t have this problem but looking at all the replies it does make one wonder if this is predominantly a Catholic Forum, or is it one that has been highjacked by Republican right wingers that happen to be Catholic?:hmmm: Hmmmmm…
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You don’t have the problem of deciding whether or not to vote for Hillary, but I dare say you must have proabortion candidates over there in Europe. Would you even have a choice anymore? Just curious if they are all prodeath? Just wondering since you never mention your proabortion candidates.

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Catholic2003:
Canon 753 debunks this argument quite thoroughly. See the referenced thread for more details.
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Can. 752 While the assent of faith is not required, a religious submission of intellect and will is to be given to any doctrine which either the Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops, exercising their authentic Magisterium, declare upon a matter of faith or morals, even though they do not intend to proclaim that doctrine by definitive act. Christ’s faithful are therefore to ensure that they avoid whatever does not accord with that doctrine.

Can. 753 Whether they teach individually, or in Episcopal Conferences, or gathered together in particular councils, Bishops in communion with the head and the members of the College, while not infallible in their teaching, are the authentic instructors and teachers of the faith for Christ’s faithful entrusted to their care. The faithful are bound to adhere, with a religious submission of mind, to this authentic Magisterium of their Bishops.

2 things:
  1. You failed to note canon 752, immediately proceeding which restricts the teaching referred to in 753 to issues of faith and morals. The Bishop, in this particular teaching, was not addressing an issue of faith and morals. This is a common problem with US Bishops - they frequently teach over above their areas of authority and they infrequently teach doctrine and morals. The USCCB movie guide is a glaring example.
  2. Canon 753 again says the Bishops must be in communion with the head and members of the College - the 2 requirements necessary for it to be mandatory teaching that I mentioned in my previous post still apply.
 
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Brad:
The Bishop, in this particular teaching, was not addressing an issue of faith and morals.
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The bishops were addressing the moral dimension of public policy, as they explicitly noted in their statement.

I suggest we pick this up in the other thread, as this has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton.
 
I know plenty of people who are not pro-life, and they also vehemently hate Hillary. I don’t know why a strong, intelligent woman should engender such hatred. I think the idiots on talk radio have helped bring this mindless hatred to the foreground.

Then I remember that Eleanor Roosevelt had her vociferous detractors as well. She wasn’t pro-abortion, but she was a strong woman with strong opinions and an amazing lady. Yet, many people criticized her for her looks, and hated her.
 
Without a doubt the answer would be a resounding “YES”!! First of all, she (as well as almost anyone else) would be better than the illiterate fool/liar/opportunist/false Christian who is in there now (who was not “reelected” BTW).
Second, her husband did one helluva good job as prez, and if she followed the same course, we just might be able to look forward to at least four (hopefully eight) years of peace and prosperity, just as the “Big Dog” gave us. Not only that, we’d get four more years (minimum) of Limbaugh and his “DittoLemming” cretins; Falwell, Roberson, Enyart and all the other Rush clones; “Faux News”; the mouth-breathing “Freepers”; and of course, the mainstream “liberal” (NOT!!!) media griping about her 24/7/365. What fun! It’s always amusing to hear the uninformed gas on about things they don’t understand. I for one, get a big kick out of seeing people make fools of themselves.
Run Hillary! You GO girl!!!
 
Go to the library and check out the book, UNLIMITED ACCESS by FBI agent assigned during the early Clinton years, Gary Aldrich. You wouldn’t vote for any Clinton or Gore for that matter if you read it.
 
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CanonAlberic:
First of all, she (as well as almost anyone else) would be better than the illiterate fool/liar/opportunist/false Christian who is in there now (who was not “reelected” BTW).
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Now, CanonAlberic, don’t hold back, I want you to tell us exactly what’s on your mind!
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Hi FF. This is getting better than UK party politics, pass the popcorn will you!!
 
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FightingFat:
Sure Norwich- hey, have you got the drinks over there??

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I’d guess Green Kings about half way pint of best and lets sit
back and watch the fun. Tallyhoooooo.

p.s Whereabouts in Essex are you?
 
She’s done a lot for New York state, she’s a hard worker, she’s gotten along with liberal and conservative senators alike, so sure, I’d likely vote for her if she ran. I’m not a one issue voter.
 
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My Parish Church is St. Peter’s, Eastwood.

Do you know it?
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Yesssss. Used to work on the CTRL Contracts at Dagenham, Lived in Norwich, worked in London all week and stayed at a B&B on the A13 towards Southend. St. Peters was, believe it or not, the closest church with masses in the evening on Holy Days of Obligation.
 
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