Wouldn't it be better if God created us in Heaven or not at all

[Fatima-Crusader]

Wouldnt it be better with all the suffering in the world for God not to create us or create us in Heaven, whats the point of having man with free will since God doesnt need us to be complete

 

[Wesrock]

The flip side is that God isn’t any less what he is creating the universe this way, either.

One thing to note about the universe as it is now is that it allows for a greater diversity of goods. Consider virtues. One cannot have the virtue of courage if one has never faced fears, or perseverance if there are no hardships. If there were no inequalities, then one has no need to give of oneself to another or to exhibit charity. What is love if it doesn’t have to overcome and persist through difficulties and cold points?

The alternative is to have never developed certain virtues.

 

[Vico]

Wouldnt it be better with all the suffering in the world for God not to create us or create us in Heaven, whats the point of having man with free will since God doesnt need us to be complete

The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains that we are created in the image of God, rational beings, and that we are created journeying. To become the likeness of God requires a confirmation of our charity during our life, ending with a state of sanctifying grace. Love is freely expressed, not forced, so it not logically possible to create a person that initially confirmed in the likeness of God, although they can be given grace.

Catechism

460 The Word became flesh to make us " partakers of the divine nature ":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

78 2 Pt 1:4.
79 St. Irenaeus, Adv. haeres. 3, 19, 1: PG 7/1, 939.
80 St. Athanasius, De inc. 54, 3: PG 25, 192B.
81 St. Thomas Aquinas, Opusc . 57, 1-4.
PG = J.P. Migne, ed., Patroligia Greaca (Paris, 1867-1866)

 

[PatK63]

God loves us too much to make us slaves!

 

[Fatima-Crusader]

Yeah but God doesnt need our love

 

[Fatima-Crusader]

I understand that evil must exist in a world with free will, but why even create us at all since God doesnt need our love and not everyone is history has had a chance to hear the Gospels

 

[Vico]

Yeah but God doesnt need our love

Expression of love, rather than a need for love, is a divine quality so in the likeness of God that we can be, there is expression of love.

Catechism

2083 Jesus summed up man’s duties toward God in this saying: “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.” …

 

[EZweber]

I understand that evil must exist in a world with free will, but why even create us at all since God doesnt need our love and not everyone is history has had a chance to hear the Gospels

The sole reason God created us is because we benefit by it. As for those who don’t have a chance to hear the Gospel, we may hope that through the mercy of God, they may have a chance to enter Heaven.

 

[po18guy]

The short answer: No. Suffering is redemptive. In a broken world, the only way to eliminate suffering is to eliminate mankind. That is not a rational concept. Rather, let us strive to know the redemptive value of suffering, which is the universal human experience. Christ is our model. If there was a better way, wouldn’t He have known it? Wouldn’t he have enacted it?

Our job is not to second-guess God, but to submit to His perfect judgment and seek the Holy Spirit’s gift of understanding so that we may begin to grasp the reality of God’s nature and actions.

As to suffering, it is very good to read the lives of the Saints. Here is but one such book. Suffering was a universal evil, but God has turned it into a positive: our redemption through the blood of Christ. God’s Son suffered first, leading the way, blazing the trail, for us. The saints (we are all called to be saints!) accepted, even enjoyed suffering due to their love of God.