Wow....... I never imagined

[I_Believe]

I just noticed the sign out front, and glanced at it the first time I saw the sign. Seems it’s a former protestant church building. Anyhow, it’s on Fifth street at Denmark or Brentwood. One of those two.

There is Church on Matha ave., which I think is off Taylor blvd near Bluegrass that is supposed to do the Latin Mass. St Benedict is it’s name. Never seen it, but they had put some of their fliers or bulletins on the info rack just inside the door of my parish. I don’t see them listed on the Diocese site, so I suppose they are independent as well.

Also, there is St John’s Priory on Third near Holy Name, but I’m sure you know about that one. Been there for years.

Anyhow, I was away for quite awhile, and also was too young when the TLM was replaced with the NO to be part of all the fuss.
I’m neutral on it all right now, just glad to be back. Need to read up on Vatican II and Church history in general.

Godspeed to you, wherever you land.

Charles

 

[Sedes]

I just noticed the sign out front, and glanced at it the first time I saw the sign. Seems it’s a former protestant church building. Anyhow, it’s on Fifth street at Denmark or Brentwood. One of those two.

There is Church on Matha ave., which I think is off Taylor blvd near Bluegrass that is supposed to do the Latin Mass. St Benedict is it’s name. Never seen it, but they had put some of their fliers or bulletins on the info rack just inside the door of my parish. I don’t see them listed on the Diocese site, so I suppose they are independent as well.

Also, there is St John’s Priory on Third near Holy Name, but I’m sure you know about that one. Been there for years.

Anyhow, I was away for quite awhile, and also was too young when the TLM was replaced with the NO to be part of all the fuss.
I’m neutral on it all right now, just glad to be back. Need to read up on Vatican II and Church history in general.

Godspeed to you, wherever you land.

Charles

I have been to St. Benedict’s on Matha Ave. It’s in a former Protestant church building. They are trying to make it look “more Catholic” though, at least on the inside. Here’s a picture of the work they did on their website if you wanna have a look:
www.stbenedictchapel.org
It’s SSPX, not independent.

St. John’s Priory is sedevacantist, I believe. I do not know whether OLP is sedevacantist or not, though.

 

[Margaret33]

I_Believe… Welcome!

Holding the past dear and having a certain reverence for how it brought you up in your faith, and it’s traditions, is a wonderful thing. I consider myself to be traditional. And despite what others would have you think… it’s not a bad word

I don’t happen to agree with the definition of Traditional Catholics as a Catholic who disagrees with Vatican II - to me that is a generalization that doesn’t sum it up at all. We’re merely Catholics who grew up in a time of rich tradition within our great Church and would like to see some of it remain, and there’s nothing awful about that. It’s the name of the forum you’re in, and despite what some (who aren’t traditional) would have you otherwise believe, it’s not something awful you need to denounce and avoid, but something you should decide for yourself.

There are many interesting discussions here amongst those of us who feel it is a good thing, and it is nice to have others to share these things and experiences with which we hold dear from our upbringing. Yes, there will be those who jump in here who call us ‘divisive’ because we like discussing tradition, but you will come to learn that those interjections come more from lack of understanding, and that the ‘divisiveness’ they are trying to battle is coming more from the outside than from within.

As long as you’re still abiding by the rules of the Catholic faith and not making negative distinctions or judgements against others, you’ll enjoy your stay, gain a lot from the discussions, and come to appreciate the history of your church even more

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

Have you ever heard of Our Lady of the Pillar Chapel, Pax? I’ve never been but was thinking about checking it out, are you familiar with it?

Yes, I’ve been there.

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

I have been to St. Benedict’s on Matha Ave. It’s in a former Protestant church building. They are trying to make it look “more Catholic” though, at least on the inside. Here’s a picture of the work they did on their website if you wanna have a look:
www.stbenedictchapel.org
It’s SSPX, not independent.

St. John’s Priory is sedevacantist, I believe. I do not know whether OLP is sedevacantist or not, though.

If St. John’s Priory is Sedevacantist, that’s the first I have heard about it. They didn’t used to be. The Priest at St. John’s is Fr. Wathen, who is well known for some books he has written, such as The Great Sacrilege

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

Sedes,

Did you know that Fr. S. says an Indult Mass every day of the week?

 

[rtconstant]

If St. John’s Priory is Sedevacantist, that’s the first I have heard about it. They didn’t used to be. The Priest at St. John’s is Fr. Wathen, who is well known for some books he has written, such as The Great Sacrilege

Same here I know that they didn’t used to be Sedevacantist. Their contention is that by being members of the Sovereign Order of the Knights of Saint John of Jerusalem they can basically ignore all authority except that of a direct command from the Pope since they are sovereign. This gives them leeway.

I do however, think that they consider all non-traditional rites as invalid.

 

[I_Believe]

I_Believe… Welcome!

Holding the past dear and having a certain reverence for how it brought you up in your faith, and it’s traditions, is a wonderful thing. I consider myself to be traditional. And despite what others would have you think… it’s not a bad word

I don’t happen to agree with the definition of Traditional Catholics as a Catholic who disagrees with Vatican II - to me that is a generalization that doesn’t sum it up at all. We’re merely Catholics who grew up in a time of rich tradition within our great Church and would like to see some of it remain, and there’s nothing awful about that. It’s the name of the forum you’re in, and despite what some (who aren’t traditional) would have you otherwise believe, it’s not something awful you need to denounce and avoid, but something you should decide for yourself.

There are many interesting discussions here amongst those of us who feel it is a good thing, and it is nice to have others to share these things and experiences with which we hold dear from our upbringing. Yes, there will be those who jump in here who call us ‘divisive’ because we like discussing tradition, but you will come to learn that those interjections come more from lack of understanding, and that the ‘divisiveness’ they are trying to battle is coming more from the outside than from within.

As long as you’re still abiding by the rules of the Catholic faith and not making negative distinctions or judgements against others, you’ll enjoy your stay, gain a lot from the discussions, and come to appreciate the history of your church even more

Thanks Margaret, Comforting reply and welcome

I hope to live up to the last sentence of your reply.
Sorry I took so long to acknowledge your reply. I’ve been reading through tons of threads today.

Again, Thanks for the kind words.

God Bless,
Charles

 

[I_Believe]

If St. John’s Priory is Sedevacantist, that’s the first I have heard about it. They didn’t used to be. The Priest at St. John’s is Fr. Wathen, who is well known for some books he has written, such as The Great Sacrilege

I googled Fr Wathen. He passed away in November …

dailycatholic.org/issue/06Nov/nov8ssc.htm

I also ran across this review of his book you mentioned.
The author attacked Wathen’s claims in '98, but then recanted his argument against Wathen in '06. Have you read it ? …

franciscan-archive.org/apologetica/wathen.html

Glad you mentioned the book because I’ve got a better understanding of both sides of the issue after reading the review.

 

[I_Believe]

Same here I know that they didn’t used to be Sedevacantist. Their contention is that by being members of the Sovereign Order of the Knights of Saint John of Jerusalem they can basically ignore all authority except that of a direct command from the Pope since they are sovereign. This gives them leeway.

I do however, think that they consider all non-traditional rites as invalid.

Their sign says Knights of Malta. Is that the same as Knights of Saint John of Jerusalem ?

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

I googled Fr Wathen. He passed away in November …

dailycatholic.org/issue/06Nov/nov8ssc.htm

I knew he was sick, but didn’t know he died.

I also ran across this review of his book you mentioned.
The author attacked Wathen’s claims in '98, but then recanted his argument against Wathen in '06. Have you read it ? …

franciscan-archive.org/apologetica/wathen.html

Glad you mentioned the book because I’ve got a better understanding of both sides of the issue after reading the review.

Another good thing to read is the Ottaviani Intervention. Here’s a link: fisheaters.com/ottavianiintervention.html

The “Ottaviani intervention” is named after Cardinal Ottaviani who served under three popes as head of the Holy Office, which was the Vatican tribunal responsible for uprooting heresy and protecting the purity of the Catholic faith.

And it is interest to consider that what was written about the new Mass, was written before any abuse had crept in. It was written based on the orignal Latin version, with no communion in the hand, no altar girls, no priest facing the people, and not even in the vernacular. It was written about the Novus Ordo Mass in its most pure state, yet even then the Cardinal said:

Cardinal Ottaviani: *"The accompanying Critical Study is the work of a select group of bishops, theologians, liturgists, and pastors of souls. Despite its brevity, the study shows quite clearly that the Novus Ordo Missae–considering the new elements widely susceptible to widely different interpretations which are implied or taken for granted–represents, both as a whole and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session 22 of the Council of Trent.

“The pastoral reasons put forth to justify such a grave break, even if such reasons could still hold good in the face of doctrinal considerations, do not seem sufficient. The innovations in the Novus Ordo and the fact that all that is of perennial value finds only a minor place–if it subsists at all–could well turn into a certainty the suspicion, already prevalent, alas in many circles, that truths which have always been believed by the Christian people can be changed or ignored without infidelity to that sacred deposit of doctrine to which the Catholic faith is bound forever. The recent reforms have amply demonstrated that new changes in the liturgy could not be made without leading to complete bewilderment on the part of the faithful, who already show signs of restiveness and an indubitable lessening of their faith. Among the best of the clergy, the result is an agonizing crisis of conscience, numberless instances of which come to us daily.”*