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Our Sunday missalettes (J.S. Paluch) are dated from August 14, 2011 to November 20, 2011. You know what that means? It’s the last missalettes in the old translation. The next set will be in the new translation.
Do you really mean that?Yeah, every Mass I attend, I think to myself, I’ll never hear this particular Mass said this way ever again. So I savor every old translation Mass I attend, which is good.
I agree with him. I like the new translation, and I think it will clear up HUMAN issues with Catholic worship, but all masses validly offered are pleasing to God and I reject the notion that the masses under the new translation are going to be any more… er… mass-ish than the masses licitly and validly held under the current translation.Do you really mean that?
Having read through some of the coming Collects and Prefaces, I am beginning to feel cheated. I wish we could use them now.![]()
at this point we are used to changes.I feel particularly sorry for those that remember the Extraordinary Form as being the norm! They’ve had to go through two significant changes so far, with another one coming up!
Yes they are but English is a changing language with changing and expanding meanings so this is to be expected.at this point we are used to changes.
I welcome the changes that will bring the Mass more into line with the English translation in our old missals.
As I’ve stated, these were the more-Anglican translations. Personally I thought some of the other Protestant translations (“debt” instead of “trespasses”, for example) were closer to the Latin.
There have always been minor changes to the words in the Mass, but the Ordinary Form was a large change, and the new translation is a major change (though not as large as the Ordinary Form first was). Minor changes, such as taking out men, have happened through the Church’s history, but they don’t compare with these changes.Yes they are but English is a changing language with changing and expanding meanings so this is to be expected.
People don’t realize it, but there have already been changes to the English text. For example, the ICEL made the Consecration formula this way: “for you and for all men.” This was heavily criticized on two counts, one, that it was sexist, and two, it was a significant change to the formula, placing doubt as to its very validity. So there was a 70’s change to drop the “men,” yet the “for all” remained. And the reason for that is that it changed the theology so much the “all” actually gained quite a few supporters. In fact, it still does. To those people it will be a more difficult change, I imagine, than those who were used to the more-Anglican handmissal translations which themselves had changed since the Church of England initially installed them in the liturgy. OTOH, those who followed the Latin Gloria, Credo, Sanctus, Pater Noster, etc., never had the problem of having to adapt to a new language.
Personally it doesn’t bother me, but I will miss the music of Proulx and Peter Jones.Do you really mean that?![]()