I do not know you and leading a chaste life should be the goal for all of us married or unmarried.
I can assure you that SSA is not a part of your nature and does not come from the Lord.
Yes, chastity is good for all. Yet why in my case is that not good enough. Apparently not only do I have to be chaste but I have to make my same sex attractions completely go away. In effect, my temptations regardless of if I act on them or not makes me worse apparently. That is the perspective you are giving off.
I will not discuss you personally. What St. Paul says applies to us all, every time we act or dwell on a temptation
to sin we are rejecting the Lord who is only good.
Then you aren’t ever going to have real discussion then. This is not an academic debate, a theological discussional exercise. This is about people by simply trying to intellectualize and remove the personal element, you are removing their experiences, their perspectives, and in effect not approaching them where they are. Christ approached people where they were and then changed their hearts and minds. It wasn’t: I’m not goign to talk about you but just speak broadly so I can basically ignore all of your personal perspective, thoughts (which might be relevant since you have to deal with this all your life) because that doesn’t help my argument.
At times we are all against the Lord and it is up to us to repent and seek Grace from the Lord
to amend our lives but the Lord will not force us.
I am not against the Lord when I am tempted by same sex attractions. It is no different than when a straight married man is tempted to lust after a woman other than his wife. The difference is my attractions would be objectively disorders (as in the end result is not morally permissible in any situation) while is is subjectively disordered (as in if he wasn’t already married but rather was married to that women, the attraction would be fine). You seem to think that because I have these attractions I’m already at fault and already sinning. Temptations don’t equal sin. Yet apparently mine do (that is the premise you are pushing if you are not aware of it).
I have not and do not condemn you I pray for you and hope you will pray for me.
When you basically say the only reason a person could have same sex attractions is because of Romans you are saying that person must have turned their back to God. You are in effect saying that they don’t have a real relationship with God. You are in effect condemning them. So, if the attractions are still there, from your perspective, the person has still turned their back to God. Eventually the same sex attracted person is going to give up and actually give in because by and large, they are viewed as basically corrupt anyway.
I am not clear on what you are saying here. I do not seek to diminish your real struggle at the
Yes you are; I just don’t think you realize it because you haven’t really interacted with someone like me. You will not talk about my experiences personally which comes off as diminishing them as non-important and seem to make assumptions about my life. That does diminish my life. Then feel like you feel its okay to basically deny my experiences and call my either delusional or a liar (that is the only two options since I’m a mythical gay person with exclusive same sex attraction my entire life) basically because in your reality gay/ssa people can’t actually exist.
Just a friendly FYI: If you want one way to discourage people like me from trying to follow the Church and live in the light, this would be the way.
There are many people who spent years trying to be straight through therapy in order to be right with God because they believed and were told that having these temptations makes them less of a Christian and shows that their relationship with God is weak. Because if they had good faith, God would make them straight. Which reeks of Gospel of Prosperity heresy because it’s God’s Will and not ours and often He leaves crosses in our lives for reasons we don’t understand completely. Apparently Christians can have plenty of crosses in life to carry up and deny themselves daily… just not same sex attraction that means you have left God and you must replace that with opposite sex temptations because resisting apparently isn’t enough.
I just pointed out what St Paul said on the subject in Rom 1:25:
( Ref:
usccb.org/bible/romans/1 )
“They exchanged the truth of God for a lie”
People can claim that I am not open minded; what they have not, and cannot do, is to show a truly
right and just reason to believe anyone has an exclusive SSA as claimed by the Magisterium and the
Magisterium does not put a time frame on this, implied or otherwise, the claim is clear, unambiguous
and false.
God bless
You are not open minded. You do not discuss this topic. You have said the same point time after time and when people challenged it, you didn’t provide a perspective just doubled down.
You are looking for a just reason for something to exist in a fallen world is a rather odd perspective to have. Pre-fall, there wouldn’t be same sex attraction, there wasn’t death, no illness, etc. You cannot apply a pre-fall perspective to our current world. What is just in a baby being born blind, what is just in a person struggling with anger issues, what is just in a married man having strong lustful tendencies. This is a broken world where things have everywhere have been affected by original sin. To act like every single other aspect of our world can be affected by original sin except same sex attraction. That only comes from one turning away from God is rather weak argument.
