WSJ: Whatever Happened to Global Warming?

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Fourth, astronomical cycles indicate that we should be moving into an ice age - the Earth should be cooling. .
That’s exactly what the Russian scientists are predicting, unfortunately. Recently some German scientists came to the same conclusion; that we’re due for it.

Personally, I would greatly prefer global warming to global cooling, and hope the Russians and those Germans are wrong. I sincerely do.
 
As noted previously, when you start providing evidence for your claims regarding inaccurate models, I’ll start providing evidence for models.

Second, pauses in global warming are not a new occurrence. 15-ish year pauses due not change the upward trend in global temperature - just as a recession doesn’t indicate that stocks don’t go up in the long term.

Third, what pause? Global temperatures continue to climb.13 of the 14 warmest years on record occurred since the start of 2000. Even if the rate of increase has slowed this doesn’t mean that there isn’t an increase - that isn’t a pause.

Fourth, astronomical cycles indicate that we should be moving into an ice age - the Earth should be cooling. But the opposite has happening. Evidence of historical ice ages shows that they line up well with these astronomical cycles, but that the cycles can be overwhelmed by other factors, such as atmospheric composition. That appears to be what we have here.

Fifth, how can any Catholic advocate such a cavalier and irresponsible approach to our planet? Well-parented children are taught to clean up their mess so that the next child can use the play area - or to clean up their room or take care of their things. Keeping the air clean - not just for reasons of climate change - is simply the right thing to do for good air quality. The expense is already there when we leave a mess, its simply a question of how and when to pay for it. And I’d rather pay in a planned, controlled way than in a less efficient reactive way. Cleaner energy sources - wind, solar, CNG, etc. are all viable. Simply modernizing business air conditioning in the U.S. would be cost-effective and have a significant impact on air quality.

But instead we argue - just as people used to argue over whether smoking cigarettes causes cancer - because of course a fault can always be found with a statistical argument.

Well, the statistics here are solid. And I believe in responsibility - cleaning up our mess and using energy responsibly is the right thing to do. Additionally, its a politically important thing to do. Imagine the political impact of an energy independent U.S. and Europe?

In what sense is it responsible to argue against these things by making claims like “no model has ever…” with no evidence offered?

Personally, I’m appalled that conservatives who argue for fiscal responsibility (and I am one) are so unwilling to argue for environmental responsibility. Responsibility is responsibility, and the cost of polluting the environment is high - and likely much higher - if we meet it reactively.
If AGW is true shouldn’t some warming be taking place?
 
If AGW is true shouldn’t some warming be taking place?
Since this is about the 100th time you have made a comment like this, don’t you think it is about time to back it up, since others have asserted that warming is taking place, and have cited evidence to support it?
 
Since this is about the 100th time you have made a comment like this, don’t you think it is about time to back it up, since others have asserted that warming is taking place, and have cited evidence to support it?
There is no dispute there has not been any warming in 18 years.
 
Yes, there is. Just look back in this thread and you will find plenty of dispute.
No one has disputed that the atmosphere hasn’t warmed. We have been given a whole plethora of excuses about how this doesn’t matter because everything else in the world has warmed(including rocks) but then that is not what were told 20 years ago was going to happen
 
No one has disputed that the atmosphere hasn’t warmed.
Good. Now you are getting a little more truthful. So from now on when you want to post “shouldn’t there be some warming?”, just add the qualifier: “shouldn’t there be some warming of the atmosphere?” That way it will not look like you are claiming more than you really are.
 
Good. Now you are getting a little more truthful. So from now on when you want to post “shouldn’t there be some warming?”, just add the qualifier: “shouldn’t there be some warming of the atmosphere?” That way it will not look like you are claiming more than you really are.
I have been consistent all the time-its the AGW proponents who keep coming up with new (and increasingly bizarre) excuses as to where the warming went. My guess is it went into volcanoes.
 
I have been consistent all the time-its the AGW proponents who keep coming up with new (and increasingly bizarre) excuses as to where the warming went. My guess is it went into volcanoes.
Calling something bizarre does not make it so. If you think the reasons are bizarre, then state which ones and why.
 
I think that this issue is an excellent example of why most people on Earth consider Americans so spectacularly ignorant. It reminds me of those pop quizzes where Americans are asked to find North America on a map and then, like, 78% of them point at Australia or Iceland or somewhere. Global warming is an objectively real and true phenomenon, and this can be stated categorically due to our planets melting icecaps. The only point of contention is what is causing the warming, and absolutely nothing else. For those who find this difficult to accept, I heartily suggest you look at maps of the Earth and take note of changes in polar geography. That human beings are capable of so vociferously denying what’s right in front of their noses speaks volumes about the human condition.
 
I think that this issue is an excellent example of why most people on Earth consider Americans so spectacularly ignorant. It reminds me of those pop quizzes where Americans are asked to find North America on a map and then, like, 78% of them point at Australia or Iceland or somewhere. Global warming is an objectively real and true phenomenon, and this can be stated categorically due to our planets melting icecaps. The only point of contention is what is causing the warming, and absolutely nothing else. For those who find this difficult to accept, I heartily suggest you look at maps of the Earth and take note of changes in polar geography. That human beings are capable of so vociferously denying what’s right in front of their noses speaks volumes about the human condition.
Australia just rescinded their carbon tax and other measures to fight alleged global warming. I couldn’t find them on a map of America?
 
. Global warming is an objectively real and true phenomenon, and this can be stated categorically due to our planets melting icecaps. The only point of contention is what is causing the warming, and absolutely nothing else. .
Melting since when? Here’s an article that says it’s getting bigger than it was two years ago. dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html

This is a debate. Lots of people doubt global warming. Some, like Russian scientists think we’re about to go into another ice age. The Indian environmental agency decoupled from the IPCC because of its faulty data. As was pointed out, Australia is now “off the bus”. There hasn’t been any atmospheric global warming in 18 years despite “definitive” and “uncontested” predictions that it would.

So now we’re told it’s hiding in the oceans and the rocks despite the fact that the transfer of atmospheric heat to oceans is incredibly slow. Some agree that the oceans are warming but say it’s just normal warming from the Little Ice Age. Some don’t agree that the oceans are warming at all.

In the U.S. it’s highly political, and generally speaking one’s position on MMGW reflects one’s political proclivities. There is a lot of money in it and strangely, the big promoters do not in any way live as if they believe in it themselves…not on either side of the debate.

And, of course there’s “discrediting the quote”. “My card is better than your card.” :rolleyes:

It’s just one big high school-level debate, with each side having its graphs and quotes, and there’s nothing any more definitive about it than there is about whatever the high school debate topic is at present.
 
So is it bizarre, as estesbob said, or merely inaccurate?
It is bizarre to propose the oceans not follow the laws of physics and thermodynamics.
Proposing the heat was mysteriously and only recently sequestered down to the deep was the definition of strange.
 
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