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grampben
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Why are the pro liberal catholics on this forum ridiculed yet xenophobia is allowed?
Why can we be racist but not say we like Obama?
Why can we be racist but not say we like Obama?
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elliejanba
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I don’t get what you mean by, “Why can we be racist but not say we like Obama?” Racism is tolerated in the Catholic forum? You can be racist and like Obama?
Although I have heard of racist people voting for Obama, because the country is in ruin and they really are putting aside racism for economic stability.
I think xenophobia and conservatism often go hand in hand though. Oftentimes I think conservatism is only translated as “I don’t think for myself, and if it works don’t fix it.” But I wish conservatism meant, “Don’t ridicule the past, it has an important role in how to interpret the future. We should look at and grow as better people.”
Although I have heard of racist people voting for Obama, because the country is in ruin and they really are putting aside racism for economic stability.
I think xenophobia and conservatism often go hand in hand though. Oftentimes I think conservatism is only translated as “I don’t think for myself, and if it works don’t fix it.” But I wish conservatism meant, “Don’t ridicule the past, it has an important role in how to interpret the future. We should look at and grow as better people.”
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grampben
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No I’m saying that people are not ridiculed on this forum for being racist, yet Obama voters are ridiculed.
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RobertLGarrett
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You are wrong…people are ridiculed for racism regularly on this forum, when it occurs.
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bookgirl32
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Hopefully no one is “ridiculing” any person, but any of our opinions are open for ridicule if we choose to put them out there at all.
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puzzleannie
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Please look up “xenophobia” in the dictionary.
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grampben
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intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.
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RobertLGarrett
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iow…nothing to do with “race.”
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grampben
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Apologies, exchange racism for xenophobia then.iow…nothing to do with “race.”
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brigid12
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Catholics are taught to Not Kill - esp. innocent humans from conception to natural death. Most (if not all) Catholics that I’ve spoken to have no feeling (this is the NW, but I haven’t seen racism here since before the 60s, if ever) of racism or xenophobia, however they won’t vote for a someone who supports baby-killing just because they’re not white or foreign, either.
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RobertLGarrett
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No problem.
As I said before, I think you are incorrect. When people are racist on CAF their racism is opposed. I just did it in another thread you are also on.
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grampben
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I wasn’t talking about the race of a candidate. I agree with you though.Catholics are taught to Not Kill - esp. innocent humans from conception to natural death. Most (if not all) Catholics that I’ve spoken to have no feeling (this is the NW, but I haven’t seen racism here since before the 60s, if ever) of racism or xenophobia, however they won’t vote for a someone who supports baby-killing just because they’re not white or foreign, either.
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survive
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I’ve seen racism in just two threads, coming from either two or three posters, who I think aren’t here anymore, in my total of two-and-a-half years here. It was vehemently fought against by the entire membership. We don’t put up with racism. As to xenophobia, how could such exist in an international forum with members from all over the world? If you’re just assuming the general tendency not to vote for Obama around here is racist, you aren’t reading the threads.
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grampben
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Did I ever say that the Obama voting thing was about race?
There is a lot of xenophobia here, especially against immigrant cultures like mexican parades in the USA.
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survive
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You mentioned Obama in the same clause as racism. I was asking if that what you meant or not. Otherwise I haven’t got the faintest notion what you meant about Obama.
I don’t remember any xenophobia about Mexican parades. I remember a long time ago some people were asking about the significance of the use of the Mexican flag in a parade, as to whether it signified a continuing wish to be Mexican citizens. If it does, then I for one don’t understand. Surely becoming an American citizen, especially when living in the USA, offers great benefits. I think the process should be made easier and quicker, and encouraged. Those who still want to be citizens of their own lands may certainly do so, I simply don’t know why they would choose such a complicated way of life.
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grampben
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I used it as an example of how people are ostracized for voting a democrat.You mentioned Obama in the same clause as racism. I was asking if that what you meant or not. Otherwise I haven’t got the faintest notion what you meant about Obama.
I don’t remember any xenophobia about Mexican parades. I remember a long time ago some people were asking about the significance of the use of the Mexican flag in a parade, as to whether it signified a continuing wish to be Mexican citizens. If it does, then I for one don’t understand. Surely becoming an American citizen, especially when living in the USA, offers great benefits. I think the process should be made easier and quicker, and encouraged. Those who still want to be citizens of their own lands may certainly do so, I simply don’t know why they would choose such a complicated way of life.
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RobertLGarrett
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I haven’t heard anything about “mexican parades,” but I did hear someone mention immigration protests where people didn’t show up for work to protest immigration laws. If that is what you are talking about, the person could just be concerned about illegal immigration or racist or both. It is hard to tell sometimes. However, if someone says something blatantly racist, then I, and most people, call them on it.
BTW…You did tie Obama voting to Xenophobia/Racism by mentioning Obama voting in the first post.
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grampben
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Well I have clarified that now.
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survive
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I’d forgot all about the strike. What happened was, there are basically two different “worlds” Americans live in regarding the border issue. Some people live in upper-class areas on or near the border and their experience is that much of the menial work is done by immigrants, who are poorly paid due to their lack of citizenship. To such people, the issue is one of kindness to the desperate Latin Americans versus keeping the law, and there is a nototrious amount of hypocrisy where wealthy conservatives declare the border must be tightened while they insist on keeping their own illicit servants in the house, off the books.
But that’s just one small sliver of the country’s life. In the rest of America, about 90% of the people are non-Latino and the Latinos mostly were born in the USA, many more being citizens or exchange students. Menial work is done by people of all origins about equally nowadays, especially in depressed areas. There are very, very few people with household servants beyond a student or struggling home bisiness owner trying to supplement an income by cleaning friends’ apartments, or caregivers for the elderly. When politicians shout about “the illegal immigrants being the ones who clean our houses and swimming pools” nearly all Americans laugh themselves dizzy. Most of us have no pools and we clean our own houses. Some of us even clean other houses too.
So the general strike of Latinos was taken differently in different places. In the wealthy border suburbs, it must have seemed reasonable; they would withdraw their presence so the voters could see what it would be like without them, and have to scoop their own swimming pools. But in the majority of the country, it made no sense. We’re talking about third-generation Americans who are massage therapists, paramedics, schoolteachers and tax auditors. They were withdrawing needed and well-rewarded services to protest something many miles away that wouldn’t affect them, and in doing so, hurting a local community that had always appreciated and accepted them. Some of us were saying, huh? Where I worked some of my co-workers discussed whether to take part. Some decided to and some didn’t, I think. Noone was angry or lashing out, just bewildered.
But that’s just one small sliver of the country’s life. In the rest of America, about 90% of the people are non-Latino and the Latinos mostly were born in the USA, many more being citizens or exchange students. Menial work is done by people of all origins about equally nowadays, especially in depressed areas. There are very, very few people with household servants beyond a student or struggling home bisiness owner trying to supplement an income by cleaning friends’ apartments, or caregivers for the elderly. When politicians shout about “the illegal immigrants being the ones who clean our houses and swimming pools” nearly all Americans laugh themselves dizzy. Most of us have no pools and we clean our own houses. Some of us even clean other houses too.
So the general strike of Latinos was taken differently in different places. In the wealthy border suburbs, it must have seemed reasonable; they would withdraw their presence so the voters could see what it would be like without them, and have to scoop their own swimming pools. But in the majority of the country, it made no sense. We’re talking about third-generation Americans who are massage therapists, paramedics, schoolteachers and tax auditors.
They were withdrawing needed and well-rewarded services to protest something many miles away that wouldn’t affect them, and in doing so, hurting a local community that had always appreciated and accepted them. Some of us were saying, huh? Where I worked some of my co-workers discussed whether to take part. Some decided to and some didn’t, I think. Noone was angry or lashing out, just bewildered.
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maggiemay2u
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I have problems your premise, obviously, or I wouldn’t have requested specific examples. But for the sheer sake of argument…
How is that not congruent with the Constitution of the United States? There is freedom of speech and right to assemble. I’m always a tad concerned when someone’s skin is so thin it can’t take criticism. I kinda want to tell them to come back when they’re out of pull-ups.
If some guy’s experience is that all blacks, browns, greens, yellows or whites, are shiftless drunks, he gets to say so. If I don’t agree, I get to say so. I don’t have to respond or even read posts from someone I deem to be off the reservation ( and I usually don’t)
I have seen posters, gee, even one or two on this thread, make little digs at beliefs and statements towards others, and then finish it with a smiley face.
Does it make it all alright? I don’t think so.
Who gets to be the arbitrator of when it’s okay to make fun of someone’s beliefs or leanings and when it’s no?
As a recovering leftist, I can honestly say there are few things in this world less tolerant than a liberal who doesn’t get his way. Further, I think terms like “xenophobe”, “homophobe”, “racist” and so on, are used by the left to cower opposition. It is only of late conservatives have stopped cowering and rebutted the terms and corrected the record.
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