Yakima diocese discourages attendance at pro-life fundraiser addressed by Laura Ingraham

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She sounds like one of the Church Militant to me, one of those super Catholics that are so Catholic they can’t stand to be around other Catholics, especially the Bishops.
I know what you meant, but “Church Militant” isn’t what you should have used.

Church Militant means the members of the Church on Earth (we are militant because we are fighting to save souls)

Then there are two others:

Church Penitent or Church Expectant = which are the Church members in Purgatory

Church Triumphant = the saints in Heaven

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_militant_and_church_triumphant

Heterodox Catholics can lean politically to the left or the right. She MIGHT be a right leaning Heterodox Catholic (but I don’t know what her beliefs are other than she feels its ok to have a public feud with a Diocese and Bishop.

At bare minimum it seems like she views the Church as a democracy, where public opinion should be able to sway the Bishops and Church teaching.

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Maybe the fact that Laura is a relatively new Catholic is the problem.

She may not see how immigration has much to do with abortion. She is doing some lay person’s work supporting pro-life activities.

**Perhaps instead of going as far as publishing a Diocese-wide directive to the faithful not to support this local effort - the Bishop and Monsignor in question might hold forth on the meaning of certain well-known scriptures as
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When asked about his email, Msgr. Robert Siler told LifeZette, “It was an internal communication to our pastors, reminding them of our policies and procedures.”

True, this is about immigration from this life unto the next one … but apparently immigration CAN be done wrong (even if we don’t use the term “illegally”). A neophyte like Laura might just take Jesus’ words at face value and conclude that immigrants to America should also “enter through the gate” (i.e. legally).

If the Diocese suspects that the group is really going to re-direct the pro-life funds unto doing bad things to immigrants, they should be sure about it. Personally I don’t think that possibility is likely.
The diocese **has experience with Image Point’s failure to collaborate **with them in a meaningful way. From the letter to the priests, Fr. Siler writes, “Image Point has yet to respond to my letter last fall asking them to clarify their willingness to collaborate in a meaningful way with the Diocese. The organization was cleared two years ago by the bishop to receive a large donation from the Knights of Columbus then withdrew their tentative agreement to collaborate after spending the money.”
Jesus and his family immigrated to Egypt and back … presumably obeying any attendant laws I should think. And it’s good for the faithful to be instructed on that matter, beyond loving one’s neighbors, caring for the poor, sharing with those in need, etc.

I do find it odd that THIS event is being used to present that counsel. I don’t get it.
Is Laura Ingraham supposed to be like the gangsters of old who opened soup kitchens
for the poor to mask their other (selfish, illegal, etc.) activities? **Sometimes the clergy at the time didn’t condemn the gangsters’ “do-gooding” **-- even if later they were denied a big public funeral and burial in holy ground.
"Insisting there was no intent to disparage, (Msgr. Siler) said, “We have not made any public criticisms of Ms. Ingraham … What we have told our pastors is we’re not promoting Image Point’s event.” In fact, the letter even praised Ms. Ingraham as being “a strong pro-life witness…”

If I MUST choose a side here. So far it would be Ingraham’s do-gooding over the clerical carping and opposition to what seems to be something they should be promoting … not discouraging.
Bishop Tyson has a large percentage of Hispanic people that he serves. He has his reasons why Ms. Ingraham would not be a suitable speaker for pro-life events sponsored or promoted by his diocese. It should be known, however, that the Diocese has also turned down several requests from outside groups – some of them also Catholic – who might be considered to be more aligned with the Democratic Party. The Diocese of Yakima chooses to promote those speakers it judges that are best able to reflect church teachings in it’s entirety.
 
Well, this is adding harm onto harm. No support at this end for such efforts to bring free access to anyone wishing to enter the United States. This does not equate to being against the God given right that His created child should be born to this life. Even when clergy is in the wrong nobody has to pretend they are right. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last.
You are so correct.
We should support legal immigration, not illegal immigration. Supporting illegal issue over pro-life is very disappointing to say the very least. God help us.
 
Hmmm. Here’s some interesting information from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which is endorsed by Ms. Ingraham in this video:

mediamatters.org/blog/2013/06/20/laura-ingraham-endorses-anti-immigrant-hate-gro/194536

I’ve copied an pasted some pertinent positions (regarding the organization’s not so pro-life stance from the FAIR website. You may read it in greater detail at:

fairus.org/issue/the-united-states-is-already-overpopulated

ADDRESSING OVERPOPULATION
Birthrate
As of 2007, the U.S. fertility rate had risen above 2.1, up from a low of 1.74 in 1976.39 The reversal in the birthrate trend involves several factors, but most notable was the growth of immigrants as a percentage of the total U.S. population, increasing from 5.4 percent in 1970 to 12.6 percent in 2008.40 Immigrants on average have higher birthrates than native-born Americans, yet their access to family planning services is restricted by language barriers and their hesitancy to seek government services. Because the birthrate has recently moved above replacement level, it is important not to ignore the large share of births to unmarried, teenaged immigrants.41 Government should be focused on ensuring
that all prospective parents have the necessary information to make good choices.


Achieving Population Stability

Fortunately, population growth can be moderated by legislating and executing appropriate immigration policies.** It can also be influenced by programs that address natural change (births less deaths) through promoting family planning efforts to decrease unwanted births.** But that is unlikely to have nearly as great an impact as reducing the imbalance between immigration (arrivals) and emigration (departures). Population stability requires neither discriminatory immigration policies nor intrusive natality policies. It requires three policy reforms: zero-net immigration, enforcement of current laws combatting illegal immigration, and family planning education.

Would it be prudent to encourage parishioners to endorse with their presence a speaker who is on record as supporting this organization?
 
Exactly. Unfortunately many people here think that just because someone is a member of the clergy, then the rest of the Church cannot criticize that person, even if that person is obviously in the wrong. As laypeople, we have the right, and probably even our duty as stated in the CCC, to engage in fraternal correction, even those at the very top of the hierarchy.

Each one of us is going to have to face God at the moment of our death - but the judgment for the clergy is held to a higher standard because of the position they’re in. We have to pray that they stand up for truth and stop pandering to the world and being politically correct - it’s not going to earn them eternal salvation.
. Even when clergy is in the wrong nobody has to pretend they are right. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last.
 
She sounds like one of the Church Militant to me, one of those super Catholics that are so Catholic they can’t stand to be around other Catholics, especially the Bishops.
The real problem with these uncharitable judgments is not that they’re, well, rash and uncharitable (and are proscribed in the section under Offenses Against Truth), but that they are irrelevant to the issue. Let’s suppose your snide characterization of her is accurate: so? Is that supposed to imply that the bishop’s action was justified because…why? She had it coming? She deserved it? If she’s a bad person it’s OK to treat her badly? The bishop’s action was either justified or not, and nothing about the kind of person Ingraham is has any bearing on the matter.

This is one of those little appreciated side effects that regularly happens whenever bishops involve themselves in political issues - people who oppose their politics get trashed and it’s all considered acceptable because, after all, if they oppose a bishop they can’t be very nice people so they deserved to be mocked and discredited.

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Here’s another reason why the Bishop is correct to discourage this event.

Recently Trump was asked about being supported by David Duke and the KKK and he refused to condemn the KKK when given the opportunity. Mitt Romney said that A disqualifying & disgusting response by @realDonaldTrump to the KKK. His coddling of repugnant bigotry is not in the character of America.

And then Laura Ingraham attacked Romney saying this, “Is this Mother Jones”?

twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/704491706838700033

Mother Jones is a far left progressive website. For Ingraham to criticize such a comment shows she is indirectly supporting the Klan and Trump

Anybody who supports Trump is a fool in my opinion.
 
Re: zab post #100 …

Thanks for all the additional info … though it is confusing.

It was a secret communique … yet it became VERY public.

It was more aimed at Image Point than Laura Ingraham … except that by the end of your info … yes it WAS a personal jab at Ingraham.

The best justification the Diocese has for its (otherwise curious) actions is that Image Point “took money” from the Diocese … or the Knights of Columbus … and didn’t deliver whatever it was deemed to have been supposed to in THAT project.
Fr. Siler writes, “Image Point has yet to respond to my letter last fall asking them to clarify their willingness to collaborate in a meaningful way with the Diocese. The organization was cleared two years ago by the bishop to receive a large donation from the Knights of Columbus then withdrew their tentative agreement to collaborate after spending the money.”
Don’t quite know what that means. Presumably *** unwillingness*** is what he meant . So … the Diocese clears Image Point to receive a donation … and Image Point spends the donation monies (as groups will do … the donation is made) … but then “withdrew their tentative agreement to collaborate”? Tentative means “not quite yet …” in my lexicon. So … the Diocese secretly pulls strokes against its pro-life fundraiser? :nope: *< boy, they should pick their battles better than that. Per pro-life, it would seem they are attacking an ally. Or do they imply that the funds from such would likely be used for other than what it claims to do …
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Image Point Mobile Medical Services, a group that offers ultrasound exams and pro-life counseling to women considering abortion
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Monsignor Siler in post 1 seems to directly target Laura Ingraham for her position(s) regarding (illegal?) immigration. But doesn’t specifically explain “the Bishops’” immigration positions that he claims Laura “stridently opposes”.

It may be that this incident will be what Msgr. Siler is most remembered for if he is not careful. On the face of things, it doesn’t look good. Maybe he should organize a Diocesan Life Cross or something (where pastors encourage their flock to participate in a bit of public witness to demonstrate their opposition to abortion).

If some immigrants to America (legal … or less than so) are not treated so well as they should be … perhaps those Catholics who esteem that issue as a priority might consider that the unborn are “immigrants” of a sort too. Of which some are actually KILLED near the border. A border which, if crossed would grant them full American citizenship.

Personally, thank you Laura Ingraham for your volunteer service, and adopting children from other lands.

____________________ < * Insert here something I can thank Monsignor Siler or the Diocese of Yakima for. Per THIS story … I’m at a loss to come up with anything.*
 
Re: zab post #100 …

Thanks for all the additional info … though it is confusing.

It was a secret communique … yet it became VERY public.

It was more aimed at Image Point than Laura Ingraham … except that by the end of your info … yes it WAS a personal jab at Ingraham.

The best justification the Diocese has for its (otherwise curious) actions is that Image Point “took money” from the Diocese … or the Knights of Columbus … and didn’t deliver whatever it was deemed to have been supposed to in THAT project.

Don’t quite know what that means. Presumably *** unwillingness*** is what he meant . So … the Diocese clears Image Point to receive a donation … and Image Point spends the donation monies (as groups will do … the donation is made) … but then “withdrew their tentative agreement to collaborate”? Tentative means “not quite yet …” in my lexicon. So … the Diocese secretly pulls strokes against its pro-life fundraiser? :nope: *< boy, they should pick their battles better than that. Per pro-life, it would seem they are attacking an ally. Or do they imply that the funds from such would likely be used for other than what it claims to do …
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Monsignor Siler in post 1 seems to directly target Laura Ingraham for her position(s) regarding (illegal?) immigration. But doesn’t specifically explain “the Bishops’” immigration positions that he claims Laura “stridently opposes”.

It may be that this incident will be what Msgr. Siler is most remembered for if he is not careful. On the face of things, it doesn’t look good. Maybe he should organize a Diocesan Life Cross or something (where pastors encourage their flock to participate in a bit of public witness to demonstrate their opposition to abortion).

If some immigrants to America (legal … or less than so) are not treated so well as they should be … perhaps those Catholics who esteem that issue as a priority might consider that the unborn are “immigrants” of a sort too. Of which some are actually KILLED near the border. A border which, if crossed would grant them full American citizenship.

Personally, thank you Laura Ingraham for your volunteer service, and adopting children from other lands.

____________________ < * Insert here something I can thank Monsignor Siler or the Diocese of Yakima for. Per THIS story … I’m at a loss to come up with anything.*
I was trying to be brief in responding to certain things that you wrote, but I agree that it does get confusing when we just have bits and pieces of the story. Bottom line is, people who do not know Bishop Tyson have called him “an apostate bishop” “a liberal bishop” and made him out to be a bishop who is against pro-lifers. And that couldn’t be further from the truth. I don’t know the details of this particular issue any more than you do. Could Bishop Tyson be mistaken and have made an error in judgment in not allowing the priests in his diocese to endorse Image Point and their guest speaker, Laura Ingraham? I suppose so. But given that he feels that he has reason to be concerned about promoting this event, based on prior experience in his diocese with Image Point and his concern over some of the things that Laura Ingraham has said, I respect his decision as bishop not promote the event. That is his call to make whether we like it or not. And it certainly is wrong to attempt to destroy the good character of this bishop because we do not like his decision.
 
It isn’t a “one or the other” proposition.

Or do you support positions that are contrary to positions of the U.S. bishops as long as you are rabidly pro-life?
Tim are you *&&%!@ kidding? Any Catholic who isn’t “rabidly pro-life” is a sorry excuse of a Christian. Period…As if being “rabidly pro-life” is anything less than noble and Christian…Unbelievable…
 
… Could Bishop Tyson be mistaken and have made an error in judgment in not allowing the priests in his diocese to endorse Image Point and their guest speaker, Laura Ingraham? I suppose so. But given that he feels that he has reason to be concerned about promoting this event, based on prior experience in his diocese with Image Point and his concern over some of the things that Laura Ingraham has said, I respect his decision as bishop not promote the event. That is his call to make whether we like it or not. **Correct, zab; it’s your right to respect the decision. The problem, however, is that because of her at least equal right to not respect his decision, some on this thread have all but calumniated a national Catholic spokesperson fighting the evil of abortion. It’s not what one expects on a truly Catholic website like this. After all, the Bishop’s decision, which is based on her right to not support unlawful immigration, directly harms her efforts against abortion. She has a right to disagree with the decision. ** And it certainly is wrong to attempt to destroy the good character of this bishop because we do not like his decision. ** Correct, again, just as it is certainly wrong to attempt to destroy the good character of this exemplary Catholic woman. **
 
Correct, zab; it’s your right to respect the decision. The problem, however, is that because of her at least equal right to not respect his decision, some on this thread have all but calumniated a national Catholic spokesperson fighting the evil of abortion. It’s not what one expects on a truly Catholic website like this. After all, the Bishop’s decision, which is based on her right to not support unlawful immigration, directly harms her efforts against abortion. She has a right to disagree with the decision. And it certainly is wrong to attempt to destroy the good character of this bishop because we do not like his decision. Correct, again, just as it is certainly wrong to attempt to destroy the good character of this exemplary Catholic woman.
First of all, the title of this thread and the news article are misleading. The diocese has it’s reasons for choosing not to endorse the event in which Ms. Ingraham is a speaker. But there is nothing in the email that encouraged priests to “actively discourage” parishioners from attending. They were only told that it was not appropriate to advertise Image Point’s event in any way.

The email, which was an internal matter has somehow been obtained by Ms. Ingraham and made public by her. So it was not Bishop Tyson who decided to “pick a fight with wrong person”. It appears that Ms Ingraham is the one who chose to pick a fight. The diocese has not made public any criticism of Ms. Ingraham according to Msgr. Siler, when asked about this. In fact the email that was sent to the priests did praise “her pro-life witness including her personal choice to adopt three children from other countries.” I agree that no one on or off of this thread should be attempting to destroy the good character of another person.
 
Then we agree on the most important point. As for all the rest of your post #110,** however, the OP and its two linked sources speak for themselves:
**catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?id=27605&soundoff_confirm
For those interested in hearing both sides, the information is on the pages in which those articles are written. At the bottom of the OP’s linked article to catholicculture.org.,

Bishop discourages Catholics from attending Laura Ingraham event (Spero) SEE COMMENTS at bottom of Msgr. Robert Siler

Diocese of Yakima takes issue with its representation 
by talk radio host Laura Ingraham (Yakima Herald) SEE CATHOLIC DIOCESE RESPONSE TO LIFEZETTE.COM ARTICLE on left side column of page
 
youtube.com/watch?v=T58QKBDpnl8 < posted on February 29. I just saw it though.

Thought he made some salient points.

As did Ingraham IMO
Bishop Tyson cites my immigration views as a reason not to support this pro-life organization … said I’m not a suitable speaker at a pro-life event because my views on immigration conflict with that of the bishop’s …
… I have an idea. Why don’t we just try to preach the gospel? How about that for an idea instead of getting all caught up in issues of policy versus the doctrinal issues that actually are at the core of the church, like the support for pro-life which is a doctrinal issue …
… So I helped this group because it sends a message to the bishop’s office. If I’m the Catholic church up in the Pacific Northwest I’m just focusing on cleaning up my own house. I’m not worried about a pro-life speaker coming to the area to raise money for a good organization. – Laura Ingraham
 
youtube.com/watch?v=T58QKBDpnl8 < posted on February 29. I just saw it though.

Thought he made some salient points.

As did Ingraham IMO
Michael Voris does not know Bishop Tyson at all. Anybody who says that Bishop Tyson attacks pro-lifers does not know what they are talking about. Bishop Tyson was a regular attendee at the March For Life in Olympia, WA when previous bishops did not attend. You may not like his decision, but please do not attempt to destroy the character of this good and faithful Shepherd.
 
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