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grotto
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I agree with you, this smacks of who gets the “main attraction”. If Bishop Sheen had left a preference to be buried in a certain cemetery, that should be his final resting place. His race was won.
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Tis_Bearself
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Unfortunately, once you become a saint, your preferences about where you are buried are out the window. They would have moved Cardinal Newman despite his very emphatically expressed wish to be buried with his dearest friend, except that his body and its entire casket except for the brass fittings had completely decayed. I see that as God kindly granting his faithful servant’s heartfelt wish.
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grotto
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I am glad Cardinal Newman got his wish - he is one of my “go to” Saints!
Tis_Bearself
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My atheist buddy works in a building where Newman used to reside. I asked him to please get me a little chunk of the building for a second class relic.
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grotto
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Nice. We had a great visiting Priest with a mission of preserving and educating authentic relics and he brought a tremendous exhibit for people to learn about and treasure. I posted about it last summer.
Cardinal Newman wrote beautiful prayers that speak the best for me.
Cardinal Newman wrote beautiful prayers that speak the best for me.
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CTBcin
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Yeah, I would’ve liked to see this settled in the Church as well. But, where Sheen is buried is more than simply a matter of Church law, it is the realm of secular law as well. Hence the secular court case.If there is truly a dispute that can’t be settled, shouldn’t this go to a Church tribunal?
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lilypadrees
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Wasn’t it Archbishop Sheen’s wish that his remains be interred at St Patrick’s Cathedral? His family seems unwilling after 40 years to let him rest in peace.
Tis_Bearself
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No, his wish was to be interred in a local cemetery, not in St. Patrick’s.
And also, Archbishop Sheen had no idea that he would be put up for canonization. He was much too humble to think of that. Furthermore, this whole case isn’t about honoring Archbishop Sheen’s wishes. It’s about which diocese gets to profit from having a saint to draw visitors and donations.
It’s absolutely disgusting to me that the Archdiocese of New York, which mistreated Sheen when he was alive and had him taken off the air, are now impeding his canonization. It’s the Devil’s work.
And also, Archbishop Sheen had no idea that he would be put up for canonization. He was much too humble to think of that. Furthermore, this whole case isn’t about honoring Archbishop Sheen’s wishes. It’s about which diocese gets to profit from having a saint to draw visitors and donations.
It’s absolutely disgusting to me that the Archdiocese of New York, which mistreated Sheen when he was alive and had him taken off the air, are now impeding his canonization. It’s the Devil’s work.
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Ok. I thought there was something in writing stating his wish that he be buried at St Patrick’s. One of the many articles I’ve read stated that his friend, the Archbishop who celebrated his funeral Mass, had this handwritten preference in his possession.
So if his wish was to be buried in a local NY cemetery, why did his family allow him to be interred at the Cathedral? And why did they all of a suddenly begin making the claim that he never wanted to be buried in New York but Peoria instead?
Something about this case is fishy.
So if his wish was to be buried in a local NY cemetery, why did his family allow him to be interred at the Cathedral? And why did they all of a suddenly begin making the claim that he never wanted to be buried in New York but Peoria instead?
Something about this case is fishy.
Tis_Bearself
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As shown in this news article, Sheen’s will says he wanted to be buried in Calvary Cemetery in NYC. After he died his family consented to let him be put in St. Patrick’s after Cardinal Cooke asked them.
The NY archdiocese has a witness, some monsignor who gave a sworn statement that Sheen told him he wanted to be buried in St. Patrick’s.
The Court considered this evidence and ultimately has ruled in favor of the family. I can see where they would since Sheen wouldn’t have been thinking of his sainthood when and if he made any such statement, and the memory of a man who works for the NY Archdiocese and who must be very old if he was having conversations with Sheen is suspect.
There is nothing “fishy” about this situation except for you casting aspersions on the family of a man who clearly in his humility did not think that he might be put up for sainthood. It’s also pretty fishy that the Archdiocese of NY - both O’Connor and Egan from what I’ve read - gave Peoria the okay to go ahead with doing all the work for the sainthood cause and now all of a sudden Dolan wants to reap the benefits. And is holding up a man’s sainthood cause that would likely progress otherwise. It’s awful, no two ways about it. Can’t believe you want to defend that sort of thing.
The NY archdiocese has a witness, some monsignor who gave a sworn statement that Sheen told him he wanted to be buried in St. Patrick’s.
The Court considered this evidence and ultimately has ruled in favor of the family. I can see where they would since Sheen wouldn’t have been thinking of his sainthood when and if he made any such statement, and the memory of a man who works for the NY Archdiocese and who must be very old if he was having conversations with Sheen is suspect.
There is nothing “fishy” about this situation except for you casting aspersions on the family of a man who clearly in his humility did not think that he might be put up for sainthood. It’s also pretty fishy that the Archdiocese of NY - both O’Connor and Egan from what I’ve read - gave Peoria the okay to go ahead with doing all the work for the sainthood cause and now all of a sudden Dolan wants to reap the benefits. And is holding up a man’s sainthood cause that would likely progress otherwise. It’s awful, no two ways about it. Can’t believe you want to defend that sort of thing.
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Joe_5859
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No one is making this claim. Sheen’s niece (the family member who is petitioning that he be moved) initially did side with New York. But now she is siding with Peoria because she believes her uncle would have consented to the move if he had imagined it would further his cause for canonization (something that wouldn’t have occurred to him when he was alive).And why did they all of a suddenly begin making the claim that he never wanted to be buried in New York but Peoria instead?
Almost 20 years ago, Peoria went to New York and gave them first crack at Sheen’s canonization. The archbishop of New York at the time said they had no plans of pursuing Sheen’s canonization, so Peoria could go ahead with the cause and they would transfer Sheen’s body to Peoria at the appropriate time. Since Sheen was from Peoria, but died in New York, either diocese could have taken up the cause. But New York passed on it.
And now that his beatification process is near completion (there has already been the requisite confirmed miracle…and the person who received that miracle is from the Diocese of Peoria, no less), the current archbishop is reneging on what had been agreed upon by his predecessor—namely the moving of Sheen’s body to Peoria.
I don’t know why they keep fighting so hard after losing appeal after appeal. I’m sure Dolan has his reasons. I try to extend the benefit of the doubt. I struggle to imagine what a good reason might be.
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