YOGA...ooer!

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In fairness, I think many (if not most) yoga classes really ARE only stretching and breathing exercises, completely disconnected from any pagan spirituality aside from carrying the name “yoga”. However, I used to take kundalini yoga, many years ago, and it’s almost more spiritual than physical. Highly meditative, highly chant oriented, highly spiritual. After I moved away from West L.A, and the kundalini center, I took multiple other types of yoga classes and they were nothing more than stretching and breathing. There was no spiritual component to any of those classes.

That being said, I no longer take any yoga classes, at all, since coming back to the Church. But, for me, it’s because I have a long back-history of both spirituality in yoga and an even longer history of practicing paganism. Anything remotely connected to those things, even only in name, I avoid. I would imagine most people don’t have that sort of troublesome history, so, for them, taking a class that has nothing but stretching and breathing wouldn’t be spiritual, in the least.
Hi! Thank you for your sharing your thoughts generously. I see what you mean and going by many of the posts that often appear on this site alone one might think this is the case - that Yoga is innocent if just doing it for the simple exercises, especially when people who don’t have a troublesome past, spiritually, do it for mere stretching reasons. I’m not judging them but putting what I believe up here and just don’t trust the exercises even though we can’t see the damage. I suppose I mean the spiritual stratosphere of life where the dots seem to connect to an uncomfortable realisation. And I suppose, what I would say in response to your honest and considered post, is: if Christians think Yoga is nothing more than simple exercise then why do Yoga? Why not do simple exercises? I used to work out quite a bit, and the exercises I did before were fine, there was something for everything, and I never needed to go anywhere near Yoga! So, if it is so innocent then why the need for people to defend it as if personally offended - if there is no spiritual pull - because one’s identity as a Christian should be Jesus Christ, and only Jesus Christ, not Jesus Christ and Yoga. A Christian could well be offended if people attack Jesus, or Our Lady, but I never became offended if people said they didn’t bother doing exercise or thought it was pointless!
 
Yoga makes people miserable; avoiding demonic worship is the same as avoiding misery in the long run, rather than superficial happiness concentrated on Satan - who is the Prince of this world - if you don’t believe me, read the Bible!
Uh-huh, yeah. Sure. Let’s ignore the happy people I see who talk about their emotional liberation from rigid, fear-centric world views. It’s all superficial after all. Because according to your lot, mankind’s sole purpose on earth is to be as miserable as possible.

Crabby Catholicism FTW! 🤷
Heck, if you don’t believe me, read up on Yoga from the Catholic perspective, it is a quick and thorough way to learn.
You mean your perspective. And really, listening to your camp of self-styled spiritual combatants have done more to create misery in my life than the feel-good guru tidbits that you people demonize.
Try looking up ‘spiritual warfare’, and you’ll get what I mean, as opposed to ‘fluffy wuffy wapped in cotton wool weligion for ikkle wittle bunny wabbits’. So save the insults LW.
Oh I have gone waaay past look up ‘spiritual warfare.’ In fact, my fascination with your movement accounted for more bitterness and failure than anything the New Age simply tried to offer. Look at your post and how they invoke this sort of response to me. It only proves the point.

You get what you give. I live every day defiantly breaking off every single lie perpetuated by the propaganda of people who think like you do. Because really, this is beyond just whether or not yoga is evil. You guys are the reason why religion is rapidly becoming less of what it promises to be.

Keep your ‘heavenly reward.’ I refuse to be in the presence of a God who encourages suffering and unhappiness as the ultimate meaning of existence.
Some of the saints, terrified by the sins of the world and by their personal sins, took to harming themselves, praying for long periods without rest or food. :ehh: Seems extreme, but Satan is not playing around.
Indeed. Why the Catholic Church excommunicated the Fraticelli is beyond me! They thought the same thing! They could’ve been our best troops in this war against Satan and his goofy little yoga gurus! 🤷
 
Uh-huh, yeah. Sure. Let’s ignore the happy people I see who talk about their emotional liberation from rigid, fear-centric world views. It’s all superficial after all. Because according to your lot, mankind’s sole purpose on earth is to be as miserable as possible.

Crabby Catholicism FTW! 🤷

You mean your perspective. And really, listening to your camp of self-styled spiritual combatants have done more to create misery in my life than the feel-good guru tidbits that you people demonize.

Oh I have gone waaay past look up ‘spiritual warfare.’ In fact, my fascination with your movement accounted for more bitterness and failure than anything the New Age simply tried to offer. Look at your post and how they invoke this sort of response to me. It only proves the point.

You get what you give. I live every day defiantly breaking off every single lie perpetuated by the propaganda of people who think like you do. Because really, this is beyond just whether or not yoga is evil. You guys are the reason why religion is rapidly becoming less of what it promises to be.

Keep your ‘heavenly reward.’ I refuse to be in the presence of a God who encourages suffering and unhappiness as the ultimate meaning of existence.

Indeed. Why the Catholic Church excommunicated the Fraticelli is beyond me! They thought the same thing! They could’ve been our best troops in this war against Satan and his goofy little yoga gurus! 🤷
Now you’ve got that off your chest, 😛 …go and be nice.

Take care.
 
I invite all posters to read this article and check the links properly despite any emotional or spiritual attachment to Yoga:

integratedcatholiclife.or…r-not-to-yoga/
Link’s not working.

(And for the record, the past two pages seem stark contradictory to my experience with yoga practitioners. My brother does it and he’s Mr. Cool-and-Collected while I’m Mr. Gruff Corporate Hothead. If anything, the fact that I actually don’t do it and he does speaks more wonders than exorcist fear-mongering. 8P)
 
Link’s not working.

(And for the record, the past two pages seem stark contradictory to my experience with yoga practitioners. My brother does it and he’s Mr. Cool-and-Collected while I’m Mr. Gruff Corporate Hothead. 8P)
Ah! I think I know why…sometimes pasting URLs messes them up.

I know what you are saying but there is more to it. I get that it can relax people etc…I’m not suggesting that it can turn people into demonic forces overnight or ever, in such an exaggerated way, but there are subtle effects that seem to stem from doing such seemingly innocent exercises. When doing this stuff it is emptying the mind, clearing the mind, and the issue with it at the heart of it is…because we can’t know for certain all that is on a purely spiritual plain, when we take our mind away from our body or consciousness we are open to whatever is there on another level which we can’t see. Yoga tends to be pretty specific in its claims to what is there and certainly the wording used and titles given links really strongly with Satan. I know that seems really extreme but it just does.

In your case, if you know someone who seems to be benefitting from it, I can fully see why you’d be of the opinion that all this argument over it is utter claptrap, but being grouchy or whatever is not necessarily always worse than someone who is calm all the time. Calm can sometimes be a sign of desensitization. I am NOT saying this is the case with your brother, but just because one person is grouchy and the other is calm does not automatically mean that the calm person is more at peace in body or mind.
 
And this thread is also from a Catholic perspective. So if a person wants to go and do Yoga from an atheist’s point of view, well that is their choice, isn’t it, but when a Christian chooses to do this and doesn’t investigate whether it is in practice against their faith or not and whether it can threaten their faith and life then this is negligent, pure and simple, as one’s Christian actions have an effect on others as part of the Church. So yes, exorcist’s opinions are to be respected, maybe over those who don’t know about the dangers.
 
I know what you are saying but there is more to it. I get that it can relax people etc…I’m not suggesting that it can turn people into demonic forces overnight or ever, in such an exaggerated way, but there are subtle effects that seem to stem from doing such seemingly innocent exercises. When dong this stuff it is emptying the mind, clearing the mind, and the issue with it at the heart of it is…because we can’t know for certain all that is on a purely spiritual plain, when we take our mind away from our body or consciousness we are open to whatever is there on another level which we can’t see.
Emptying the mind? You know what emptying the mind actually is like?

This.

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Really, that’s the sensation. As a matter of fact, I could do with clearing my head more often. Stress is a toxic thing and I’d wager that it makes more psychotic individuals compared to isolated cases of demonic oppression.

You do realize that a human being actually has to clear his/her mind for at least 7-8 hours in order to stay healthy right? I guess people are so quick to side with the exorcists that they’re willing to sacrifice personal health and sensibility to avoid attracting teh demons. 🤷
Yoga tends to be pretty specific in its claims to what is there and certainly the wording used and titles given links really strongly with Satan. I know that seems really extreme but it just does.
You do realize that this is all your imposed interpretation of a physical and mental exercise? Gabriel Amorth and other sympathetic priests are not the Magisterium.

And really, you’re talking titles? Wordings? I’m guessing the languages of Indians must be demonically charged because that’s the wordings of yoga in a nutshell. So not only have you just given more reason to discredit your opinion, you’ve just made the spiritual warfare camp practically xenophobic (if not racist)!
Calm can sometimes be a sign of desensitization. I am NOT saying this is the case with your friend, but just because one person is grouchy and the other is calm does not automatically mean that the calm person is more at peace in body or mind.
Or you could just be wrong.

Sounds to me like you have a hard time admitting that some people have it different than you. In a way, I can sympathize with this attachment to demonization. I used to be like that too because I thought I was in the right.

Then I nearly destroyed my life because I rejected too blindly and now my faith is what I’m approaching with a very long stick because I’ve allowed your camp to dictate what it stands for. Excuse me if I now side with Catholics who have a different opinion of Yoga and other ‘New Age’ beliefs.
And this thread is also from a Catholic perspective.
Once again:

Your opinion =/= Catholic perspective.
 
Great, thanks! 😃
Really, that’s the sensation. As a matter of fact, I could do with clearing my head more often. Stress is a toxic thing and I’d wager that it makes more psychotic individuals compared to isolated cases of demonic oppression.
Well, can’t you go for a jog!

Demonic oppression is no doubt a root cause for many cases of psychotic behaviour as well as other things mixed in.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled…
You do realize that a human being actually has to clear his/her mind for at least 7-8 hours in order to stay healthy right?
We do that during sleep and it is proven that we don’t need as much as we get.

And in sleep, demons can attack if they choose, but the difference between practicing demonically charged exercises and sleeping is that one is inviting demons consciously (initially) while the other is…sleeping, as we know. Nothing new there.
I guess people are so quick to side with the exorcists that they’re willing to sacrifice personal health and sensibility to avoid attractive demons. 🤷
Attractive?..I think then people have very different tastes.

And yes, from a Christian perspective you got it exactly right!
You do realize that this is all your imposed interpretation of a physical and mental exercise? Gabriel Amorth and other sympathetic priests are not the Magisterium.
They are respected priests at the Vatican. And the Magisterium doesn’t say New Age is to be practiced by Christians.
And really, you’re talking titles? Wordings? I’m guessing the languages of Indians must be demonically charged because that’s the wordings of yoga in a nutshell. So not only have you just given more reason to discredit your opinion, you’ve just made the spiritual warfare camp practically xenophobic (if not racist)!
Words in other languages are interpreted, surely you knew this…?!

No, this is reverse racism actually. Nice try though!
Or you could just be wrong.
So could you.
Sounds to me like you have a hard time admitting that some people have it different than you. In a way, I can sympathize with this attachment to demonization. I used to be like that too because I thought I was in the right.
Then I nearly destroyed my life because I rejected too blindly and now my faith is what I’m approaching with a very long stick because I’ve allowed your camp to dictate what it stands for.
“…our camp”?! What are you talking about? So basically you want to blame others for things that have gone wrong? Sorry to hear they did, but that is usually one’s own fault not others. We always have choices.
Excuse me if I now side with Catholics who have a different opinion of Yoga and other ‘New Age’ beliefs.
There is no such other “side”. to Catholicism. But there is an ‘other’ side, and this other side is up to you though. Good luck!
 
And the difference between my thread and some of the posts is that I remain objective so obviously there is a spiritual and emotional pull from Yoga if people feel that to speak out against Yoga is to somehow attack their own personal identity?! :hmmm:
 
…actually, hardship can often come at the fault of others, but it is up to us what we do about it.
 
Well, can’t you go for a jog!
Now you’re just grasping. Look, I know it must be incredibly painful for you to see that your demon-busting fantasies are just making mole-hill mountains out of people who sit down and clear their heads. But seriously, it has to stop. As another poster implied, your spiritual warfare movement is just going to take you on the same path as the same kooky quacks that people accuse the New Age of harboring. You’re practically just putting a priestly collar on the snake oil salesman.
Demonic oppression is no doubt a root cause for many cases of psychotic behaviour as well as other things mixed in.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled…
Right, yet all the while he leaves demonic bread crumbs that he conspires people to disbelieve. Not only is your party line getting old, it’s not even logically consistent.
We do that during sleep and it is proven that we don’t need as much as we get.
Source? Better yet, how about you go sacrifice sleep for Lent. I won’t hold my breath though for when your health starts to deteriorate. (And for the sake of what? Your bogeyman belief in demonizing stretching and breathing exercises. I can name a dozen other beliefs worthier of that kind of sacrifice both in and out of Catholic thought.)
And in sleep, demons can attack if they choose, but the difference between practicing demonically charged exercises and sleeping is that one is inviting demons consciously (initially) while the other is…sleeping, as we know. Nothing new there.
Oh so I’m summoning demons now just because I’m standing to stretch or getting on my knees to rouse myself. You’re right. There’s nothing new here. Just the same old, demonizing schtick of misconception that all CAF expects out of a Yoga thread.
And yes, from a Christian perspective you got it exactly right!
You’d sacrifice personal health for the sake of warding away demons.

That says it all folks! 🤷
They are respected priests at the Vatican. And the Magisterium doesn’t say New Age is to be practiced by Christians.
That’s because the Magisterium doesn’t micro-manage the daily exercisers of all the billions of Catholics worldwide.

Oh but, you’d like it if some questionable priest (dubbed a loose cannon by one CA apologist no less) should be given that right…
Words in other languages are interpreted, surely you knew this…?!
Sorry, as a language major grad, you have a horrible understanding of translation. Please, I implore you to stop grasping at the straws. The language used in Yoga and other New Age practices are, like the movement itself, simply rhetoric of personal empowerment. There’s no summoning of demons nor invoking goat-headed freaks.

It’s just a bunch of people stretching and breathing, getting their minds to focus. End. Of. Story.
So could you.
I’m not the one with the emotional attachment to the sayings of exorcist as if they were holier than the Pope. But really, nice of to try and project that emotional insecurity to my, already-proven-false, accusation that I’m somehow attached to Yoga.
“…our camp”?! What are you talking about? So basically you want to blame others for things that have gone wrong? Sorry to hear they did, but that is usually one’s own fault not others. We always have choices.
Yep, I chose to listen to the New Age hating camp of exorcists and apologists of the spiritual warfare movement…

… and practically sucked out myself everything that a sensible person would call life.

It’s not blame friard. It’s fact. I’ve listened to the rhetoric you’ve been linking to far too long. It’s time people thought twice about it.
 
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Any potential problems with Yoga can be easily solved by simply calling it “Chroga,” which utilizes the exact same exercises as Yoga, only done by Christians (Christian + Yoga = Chroga) . As you can see from the illustration, you get all the benefits of Yoga, but without those pesky demons. Problem solved! 👍
Chroga…

… that actually sounds pretty cool! (No seriously, never thought about that. 👍)
 
Now you’re just grasping. Look, I know it must be incredibly painful for you to see that your demon-busting fantasies are just making mole-hill mountains out of people who sit down and clear their heads. But seriously, it has to stop. As another poster implied, your spiritual warfare movement is just going to take you on the same path as the same kooky quacks that people accuse the New Age of harboring. You’re practically just putting a priestly collar on the snake oil salesman…

and on…
and on…

and the like…well, if you don’t find it within your power to put across objective criticism then you’d be more than welcome to leave the thread…I wouldn’t be crying it about it, put it that way…maybe give someone else a chance to say something much more considered…

See you, IOW…
 
and the like…well, if you don’t find it within your power to put across objective criticism then you’d be more than welcome to leave the thread…I wouldn’t be crying it about it, put it that way…maybe give someone else a chance to say something much more considered…

See you, IOW…
That’s a rather patronizing statement from someone who posts links to Amorth-sympathetic clergy and sources. Lack of objective criticism for sure! 🤷

And for the record? The spiritual warfare camp already had plenty of chances from me. I’d dare say too many. Yours won’t be the alternative viewpoint for me in a long, long time and I shed no tears for it. 👍
 
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