YOGA...ooer!

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cjforJesus said:
Yes,but as you said the name yoga is used because it is a specific category and progression of stretches. How these stretches unite one with God is beyond me though.
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Yes, well put. This is the point. Yoga is not just a random word or label. It does represent something. You say a ‘progression of stretches’. But also it links to other things - your next paragraph:
One thing I have noticed in my research though is that many people when following the physicalpath of yoga of DO eventually begin to delve into the philosophy and religious studies. These studies and writings in essence involve the promotion of virtue yet the theological tenets are VERY incompatible with Christianity
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Michael, I know you believe you have succeeded in putting away any Eastern philosophy etc…but to what degree? Are you mixing positions then, from different systems? Have you mixed up completely the different positions in Yoga itself? Have you called them all different names? Are you using one strand of Yoga as another poster suggested it is possible? I’m not clear exactly how you have achieved such a task when many other people who have researched this subject for years have stated that it is not. And cjforJ makes a good point in his second paragraph.
 
I have never heard Christians use the name Allah and I have met a lot but still if I went to the Middle East then maybe I might.

To do with the thread: a tenuous link.
 
cjforJesus said:
Yes,but as you said the name yoga is used because it is a specific category and progression of stretches. How these stretches unite one with God is beyond me though.

One thing I have noticed in my research though is that many people when following the physical path of yoga of DO eventually begin to delve into the philosophy and religious studies. These studies and writings in essence involve the promotion of virtue yet the theological tenets are VERY incompatible with Christianity
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The stretches do not unite one with God as if some kind of technique. They only help us relax. release tension, help us balance, strengthen muscles, align posture.

Interest in philosophies is not a bad thing. Eastern philosophiesare as interesting as western philosophies. There is nothing wrong with studying Sartre or John Stuart Mill even though they are atheists. That doesn’t make the one who reads them atheist.
 
I can agree that a Christian practicing stretching exercises for health and well being is perfectly compatible with the faith. A Christian trying to incorporate the Hindu views of chakras nadi kundalini and reincarnation along with the exercise would be crossing the line into syncretism,

So just stretching and holding these stretches is fine even if you feel the need to call it “yoga”,All true yoga involves an attempt to unite the practitioner with an occult force which when supposedly released takes control of the person.NOT a Catholic practice IMHO.
 
As I just mentioned, I have never heard a Christian call our Creator Allah, although I don’t recall saying that if they did this would make them a Muslim?!
Just to add to Michael’s point about Eastern philosophies of course our religion is ultimately not western.
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And?!
 
cjforJesus said:
I can agree that a Christian practicing stretching exercises for health and well being is perfectly compatible with the faith. A Christian trying to incorporate the Hindu views of chakras nadi kundalini and reincarnation along with the exercise would be crossing the line into syncretism,

So just stretching and holding these stretches is fine even if you feel the need to call it “yoga”,All true yoga involves an attempt to unite the practitioner with an occult force which when supposedly released takes control of the person.NOT a Catholic practice IMHO.
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It has been suggested by many Catholics who have studied Yoga intensely that Yoga practice is not separable from its Hindu origins and so cannot be used for its physical benefits only. There is a wealth of info. out there already and if people read links or did proper research themselves it would not take them long to stumble across why.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
Interest in philosophies is not a bad thing. Eastern philosophiesare as interesting as western philosophies. There is nothing wrong with studying Sartre or John Stuart Mill even though they are atheists. That doesn’t make the one who reads them atheist.
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True, on all three counts.

What makes them athiest is if they practice those techniques knowing this information is based on how they think. How can one practice something specific and yet not practice it. How can you think in a way a person thinks without thinking like them. This is entering the realms of the ridiculous.
 
Then you could place yourself on firm rock. When you get to Heaven, you will not be asked why it was that other people put you off, you will have to answer for yourself, without playing the blame game. If one thread or a few opinions can put you off then why look into other religions at all? Go back to the basics of your own faith first. Then, when you are fully confident again, you will be free without fear of oblivion to go forth and debate the questions, which concern all people of religion.
 
I’m done for now so if this thread goes to 1000 overnight I hope you all find your way whatever route you do take. God bless.
 
Don’t let this fine thread end on a sour note. 😦 Don’t let our bickering here put you off from the truths of our faith as Catholics and Christians! We’re fighting like brothers and sisters here, but we really love each other. 🙂
 
Very true. It started in the Middle East and took on a whole bunch of pagan Greek philosophy. It underwent even more changes in the scholastic era. Our religion can be universal, that is it can adapt to any culture and appropriate anything that is good and useful, healthy and healing. Our religion, the Catholic Christian religion is incarnational. It celebrates creation and tangible
 
Michael_Mayo said:
Very true. It started in the Middle East and took on a whole bunch of pagan Greek philosophy. It underwent even more changes in the scholastic era. Our religion can be universal, that is it can adapt to any culture and appropriate anything that is good and useful, healthy and healing. Our religion, the Catholic Christian religion is incarnational. It celebrates creation and tangible
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Our religion was founded by Jesus Christ! Be careful what you read from those trying to bring her down because St Irenaeus said all they have done was planned by lucifer from the beginning to blur the lines of truth. Read some of the early church fathers and you will get the gist of what is being attempted in the name of ecumenism.
 
We are the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and not a bunch of alleged mystics trying by our own efforts to reach spiritual perfection.We have our mother,the Church,to aid us in that, especially through sacramental grace.
 
cjforJesus said:
Our religion was founded by Jesus Christ! Be careful what you read from those trying to bring her down because St Irenaeus said all they have done was planned by lucifer from the beginning to blur the lines of truth. Read some of the early church fathers and you will get the gist of what is being attempted in the name of ecumenism.
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I have read and studied a great deal of the Church fathers. The Church was founded by Jesus but it went through many stages of development.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
I have read and studied a great deal of the Church fathers. The Church was founded by Jesus but it went through many stages of development.
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The gates of hell will never prevail against Her either. 🙂 She has always stood the test of time and the center of worship the Eucharist though some may say." Oh that is pagan cannibalism"! Jesus himself instituted this Blessed Sacrament which is the culmination of the liturgy and what truly unites Catholics into one body,It is NOT mysticism that will unite other faiths but belief in the True Presence in the Eucharist.
 
friardchips said:
True. Good point. I did use the wrong phrasing there. 😊 Not sure about it being cut exactly but some positions might correspond. Thank you for pointing out the mistake.

Off-topic, have you looked at any of those particular links? Maybe, seeing as you have some experience of doing exercise and trying to make it appropriate for pre-prayer relaxation, you might be in a position to see if any of the links do actually help the individual to prepare, as a viable alternative, for those who don’t feel comfortable doing Yoga?
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Why would someone who feels comfortable doing yoga be particularly interested in this?

Feel free to explore these alternatives for yourself.

But you’ve failed to make a coherent case for why yoga is inappropriate for Christians.

Edwin
 
cjforJesus said:
The gates of hell will never prevail against Her either. 🙂 She has always stood the test of time and the center of worship the Eucharist though some may say Oh that is pagan cannibalism! Jesus himself instituted this Blessed Sacrament which is the culmination of the liturgy and what truly unites Catholics into one body,It is NOT mysticism that will unite other faiths but belief in the True Presence in the Eucharist.
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What is a “mysticism”?
 
Michael_Mayo said:
What is a “mysticism”?
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I believe mysticism is a belief where one thinks God is communicating directly with them in a supernatural way. It is roughly what yoga is about except that the god the person is yoked to in yoga is themselves. There is no flight from you to the other because you are the other just more “evolved”.
 
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