YOGA...ooer!

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Hi! Can you back this up a little more please?
Normally it’s the person making the claim who has to back it up. Quod gratis asseritur gratis negatur. What is asserted without proof may be denied without proof.

Trot out your argument showing that yoga involves the worship of demons, and I’ll tell you why I disagree. But why should I make up arguments for you when they may not be yours?
Freemasonry, you mean?
Not particularly.
I wouldn’t know about that. Enough problems here in the U.K!
True enough. I’m actually a British citizen but have lived in the States since I was 6 (my mother’s family are Americans who lived in Britain for years and my dad is from Shetland but grew up in Australia–it’s complicated).
What is, please expand?
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Telling people that if they just read the Bible they will automatically agree with you.

Edwin
 
Thank you for responding to my post.

I have to disagree with your first premise, because stretching and meditating are not intrinsically evil, whereas abortion and euthanasia are. Do you honestly think they are comparable?
You’re welcome. Glad you are in the discussion.

I was using it as an example of thinking not as a subject comparison.
The fact that Yoga and mediation either originated or achieved a level of effectiveness through non-Christian religions does not make them evil.
Any religion that worships false gods contains evil as they distract away from Jesus, even though the reach for the divine in any religion is to be respected. We do still have the Ten Commandments (about “idols”). Not everything in other religions are evil, there is often truth amongst the thorns, and stories of love.
Consider this official statement from one of the very Church documents you linked to, On Some Aspects of Christian Meditation. After advising prudence when considering these practices of other religious origin (and I’m certainly not arguing against prudence), the Roman Curia goes on to tell us:
"This does not mean that genuine practices of meditation which come from the Christian East and from the great non-Christian religions, which prove attractive to the man of today who is divided and disoriented, cannot constitute a suitable means of helping the person who prays to come before God with an interior peace, even in the midst of external pressures."
I think what it meant is that people who reach for the divine, even if their worship is a bit off-centre, God will be there somewhere. And might give some level of peace or even in the meditation they might feel peace. However, a Christian would never be advised to worship using other religion’s ways and means. So this article is obviously written for inter-faith dialogue to show recognition of other religion’s reach for a divine power - transcendence. And this is why one is to be prudent - to not appropriate more than it is one’s duty to do so. Look for Christ but not renounce one’s own religion in the meantime.
The notion that Hinduism and Buddhism have a demonic foundation cannot be reconciled, to my way of thinking, with these words of Saint Pope John Paul II, addressed to the U.S. in 1987: "To the Buddhist community, which reflects numerous Asian traditions as well as American, I wish respectfully to acknowledge your way of life, based upon compassion and loving kindness, and upon a yearning for peace, prosperity and harmony for all beings. May all of us give witness to compassion and loving kindness in promoting the true good of humanity.
Read the CCC, I have provided the link on this thread. Peace works on different levels. Having seen what Buddhism can do to people this post is a bit iffy. St. Pope JPII was no doubt recognising and inspiring peace and harmony in the Buddhist communities. He wasn’t advocating their spiritual practice because the idea of reincarnation is a direct insult to God. He was showing love for their outward expressions of love towards one another not advocating their belief system.
To the Hindu community: I hold in esteem your concern for inner peace and for the peace of the world, based not on purely mechanistic or materialistic political considerations, but on self-purification, unselfishness, love, and sympathy for all. May the minds of all people be imbued with such love and understanding."
Again, he is consoling them for their obvious craving and reaching for divine qualities. He is not saying to Christians: “Go and practice Hinduism!”.
And living my faith as a Catholic follower of Christ is always a challenge, whether I meditate or do Yoga stretches or not. If meditation and Yoga allows me to take some focus off of myself - my worried mind and my aches and pains - so that I can be of better service to God and others, how can this be wrong or evil?
As St. Paul said; “Work out your own salvation”. No one is judging your own intentions.

I think personally that God does look on people mercifully and takes the good from the offerings of all religions as all of Creation came to be through Christ. But I think he turns away anything that is not good or has its roots in bad things. And, Satan acts not in accordance with God. So basically, just because God rewards someone in their religion for being kind and compassionate, does not mean that Satan also has no room to work; when he has been steering people away from the deeper love and truth and path of Jesus Christ. via other cults/religions he is hardly going to stop, is he. So are we to test the spirit?
 
Normally it’s the person making the claim who has to back it up. Quod gratis asseritur gratis negatur. What is asserted without proof may be denied without proof.

Trot out your argument showing that yoga involves the worship of demons, and I’ll tell you why I disagree. But why should I make up arguments for you when they may not be yours?
I have provided some links already.
Telling people that if they just read the Bible they will automatically agree with you.
Well, there are actual interpretations. It is not a free for all although some think one can believe what one wants, but as a rule, one’s understanding of the Bible is guided, so if people are doing certain things in their Christian faith then the understanding will be across the board. This is the work of the Holy Spirit on many levels hovering over the deep.
 
Also, christofirst, if God where to turn away people completely if they understood nothing about Christianity due to belonging to another religion, then these people would be lost forever. But God IS LOVE, isn’t He, so He most likely looks at the way people in other religions show love to one another practically and takes them as they are, in amongst the other stuff they do that might be detrimental to their lives, so they always have hope in salvation through being kind to people. This doesn’t mean that their prayers are not heard either but at the same time there are more direct routes to God, via the sacrifice of the Catholic Mass and advocacy of Jesus to the Father and of the intercession of Our Lady and the saints to Jesus. This is OUR faith as well as across the board compassion to all people. So we have the ways of worshipping that we have been taught. It is up to God’s discretion if He answers a prayer from another religion. But Catholicism is the way, the truth and the life if lived in Jesus. Our Via Dolorosa. We don’t need practices external to the Catholic faith because all can be offered in the ways we have been taught that we might *suffer *for Christ - purgative and redemptive and with this true peace.
 
Incense has been used in most eastern cultures and religions, not just pagan ones, and not only for worship but also for everyday bargaining, and of course used by the wealthy. So not just used in pagan rituals. If something is around and about it is going to be used. Thanks for your posts so far.
In other words, it’s OK if it’s something you like, and not OK if it’s something you
don’t like,

I’m out of here. Between your slandering the intent of those who post the actual words of Pope Francis because he didn’t say what you claimed he said, and twisting simple stretching exercises into something demonic . . . 🤷
 
The internet is full of them. However, I can only make a link to the image that stood out for me, and don’t really want to make a link to a yoga website. It seems that some people’s heads face straight forward which to me seems to represent a simple pose that isn’t anything in particular; some people’s heads seem to crook awkwardly upwards and this seems to give across the image of a snake and something more specific - hence, my comment about hissing; and one image where the legs coil behind the back and touch the shoulders - this doesn’t really look as if it represents a particular shape but might be to do with a coiling snake or something.

It is the one where the head seems to be angled upwards that I think people go on about Kundalini and releasing the serpent - I think it might be because of the angle of the head which affects the spine which in turn affects the base of the spine. Maybe it is not good for that area or maybe the bend in the back releases some kind of inner (dodgy) sensuality/sexuality feeling due to the spinal fluid in that area being gushed about. Sounds grossssssse though!
It seems there may be no form of yoga that is safe/acceptable/appeasable for you. I suggest you steer clear and stick with toe touches… God Bless. PT
 
In other words, it’s OK if it’s something you like, and not OK if it’s something you
don’t like,

I’m out of here. Between your slandering the intent of those who post the actual words of Pope Francis because he didn’t say what you claimed he said, and twisting simple stretching exercises into something demonic . . . 🤷
You are welcome to leave anytime, of course.

You might want to look up the word ‘slander’ in a dictionary!

I think he did.

This is an emotionally charged email - Yoga does this to people. It pulls on the human condition.

There is a demon/fallen angel behind the reincarnation-psychology. :tsktsk: Best to steer clear.

I’ll stick to solid Catholic teaching, :signofcross: thank you agnes therese.
 
It seems there may be no form of yoga that is safe/acceptable/appeasable for you. I suggest you steer clear and stick with toe touches… God Bless. PT
You are right, I will. As a Christian not just an individual.

Thank you very much for your posts and dialogue! 🙂

God bless.
 
Anyway, Did you know there are also Christian (Catholic?) Yoga videos out there?
Such as this: amazon.com/Yoga-Prayer-Father-Thomas-Ryan/dp/B0007Q6R04#customerReviews
Thank you so much for providing this link, ptisme! I was not aware until now that Fr. Ryan had made this instructional video. I have read his book, Prayer of Heart and Body, and I will now look into this video.

And thank you too, friardchips, for starting this thread which led me to this promising resource for enhancing my yoga practice.
 
Thank you so much for providing this link, ptisme! I was not aware until now that Fr. Ryan had made this instructional video. I have read his book, Prayer of Heart and Body, and I will now look into this video.

And thank you too, friardchips, for starting this thread which led me to this promising resource for enhancing my yoga practice.
You’re welcome! We can be led in all sorts of directions. That is what discernment is for! 😉

Thank you for your involvement in the thread.

Good luck!
 
Thank you so much for providing this link, ptisme! I was not aware until now that Fr. Ryan had made this instructional video. I have read his book, Prayer of Heart and Body, and I will now look into this video.

And thank you too, friardchips, for starting this thread which led me to this promising resource for enhancing my yoga practice.
NP. I ordered it myself!
 
NP. I ordered it myself!
I’ve gone to a Yoga website and ordered a magic carpet along with chakra opening techniques and pentacle colouring-in books, and also a ying-yang neck-chain, a reference book of tantric chants and some lovely wigi-boards decorated with Chinese dragons which are carved into the wooden boxes they came in! There are also love potions thrown in, poppy seeds and there was a note which ended: “Yours, S.”

I am still wondering who the authority is on teaching Yoga - where did the Yogis get their info.-?

The Hindu religion, obviously! - Hummmmmmmmm

Btw…in the top of the box, it read: Pandora.
 
I’ve gone to a Yoga website and ordered a magic carpet along with chakra opening techniques and pentacle colouring-in books, and also a ying-yang neck-chain, a reference book of tantric chants and some lovely wigi-boards decorated with Chinese dragons which are carved into the wooden boxes they came in! There are also love potions thrown in, poppy seeds and there was a note which ended: “Yours, S.”

I am still wondering who the authority is on teaching Yoga - where did the Yogis get their info.-?

The Hindu religion, obviously! - Hummmmmmmmm
Did your “discernment” lead you to say these things?
 
Did your “discernment” lead you to say these things?
Yes. If you see it for what it is then pandering to other people’s whimsical yet hazardously dangerous practices takes second place, maybe not for you or any other person who visits the thread who does these things and doesn’t want to hear, but for those more vulnerable people who might just be put off enough to stay firmly within the Catholic faith that they have been graced with in Baptism and Confirmation and to instead revisit their faith every time they attend a sacrament of HOLY MOTHER CHURCH and to pray using the tools they’ve already been equipped with that really are sacred.
 
I am not saying that each person who does Yoga would go and do something that leads down that road but it is a danger - a slippery slope scenario. That’s all.
 
Some of the beautiful things we have been given already, as gifts:

Baptism, confirmation and these initial Heavenly blessings.

Holy Communion. (!)

The Sacrament of Reconciliation. (!)

The Church, Pope, Parishes and guidance.

The Old and New Testament and the teachings of the Holy Spirit and His company.

The service of priests in preaching the GOSPEL OF CHRIST and administering the SACRAMENTS.

The Saints. So many.

Our Holy Mother.(!) And the Rosary. (!)

Prayers and continual help for discernment.

The Commandments to love (for what is best for people).

And our faith.

These make up everything that we need. :gopray2:
 
I’ve gone to a Yoga website and ordered a magic carpet along with chakra opening techniques and pentacle colouring-in books, and also a ying-yang neck-chain, a reference book of tantric chants and some lovely wigi-boards decorated with Chinese dragons which are carved into the wooden boxes they came in! There are also love potions thrown in, poppy seeds and there was a note which ended: “Yours, S.”

I am still wondering who the authority is on teaching Yoga - where did the Yogis get their info.-?

The Hindu religion, obviously! - Hummmmmmmmm

Btw…in the top of the box, it read: Pandora.
I went a bit over the top here. There is a line. Apologies.

Ultimately, if people believe the exercises are okay then why not pray that the Pope does make something binding, after some investigation. I reckon an act such as this would tread on any evil if it were lurking around the corner and might make the boundaries for evangelisation even more pronounced. At the very least, I’d pray before doing the exercises in the meantime, just to make sure.
 
I went a bit over the top here. There is a line. Apologies.

Ultimately, if people believe the exercises are okay then why not pray that the Pope does make something binding, after some investigation. I reckon an act such as this would tread on any evil if it were lurking around the corner and might make the boundaries for evangelisation even more pronounced. At the very least, I’d pray before doing the exercises in the meantime, just to make sure.
Binding in what way?
 
Binding in what way?
Hi there! 🙂

Matthew 16:18-19: “So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church. And the gates of the underworld can never hold out against it. I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven: whatever you bind on earth shall be considered bound in Heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall be considered loosed in Heaven.”
 
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