You ain't black, says Biden

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Upper left is Democrats. I was pointing out how one got from the Democrat race mix such as you showed in your reply to the last six candidates being all white.

You deflected away from that point.

Moving on:

Regarding Obama, he’s an African American. But only for these people do we make such a distinction. We don’t spend a lot of time talking about Hispanic Americans, do we? They’re Hispanics or they’re Americans, rarely are the two put together. We never talk about European Americans though we might talk about Irish, German or Italian American. But with whites the most mixed among themselves they have been, that gets more difficult. We do sometimes talk about Asian Americans, but also about Chinese and Filipinos to name two of the more common Asian ethnics found here.

However there are some distinctions that can be drawn between African Americans who were descendants of slaves and those like Obama, who were not. Hence it was a bit hypocritical to see Obama pretend he shared a heritage with civil rights marchers. If he had simply wanted to speak sympathetic words without alluding to the fake shared heritage, that would have been more truthful.
 
Zzyzx_Road said:
Hence it was a bit hypocritical to see Obama pretend he shared a heritage with civil rights marchers.
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At worse inaccurate but not hypocritical. And, I happen to disagree with you. Statistically, more Africans have immigrated to America voluntarily than were brought here as bondsmen. But they faced the same discrimination here as the earlier arrivals.
 
Nepperhan said:
Actually, I quoted you end to end. What point are you trying to make?
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You picked my quote out of context.

For readers, here is the full quote Nepperhan chose not to show:
Zzyzx_Road said:
We don’t spend a lot of time talking about Hispanic Americans, do we? They’re Hispanics or they’re Americans, rarely are the two put together.
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Selective editing. Thank you very much for showing us your selectivity.
 
Maximus1 said:
Inherent in my opinion is my use of " black people" is not intended as an absolute. I shouldn’t have to say that but will in an abundance of caution.
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Up to now, if I say something like women are too emotional, that would be considered chauvinistic, right? Anti-woman, right? And if I say something like that about black people, racist, right?

Some needs to be specified. Very important.

However, now those to the left have a problem. Biden didn’t specify some women when he said “believe women.” So we are now reversing the previous rule and making it that if all is not specified, all is not meant.

So when you talk about black people, it “shouldn’t have to be specified…”; it’s a sudden “abundance of caution” that causes you to say it.

Maybe that should be the 13th Alinsky rule: when our previous syntactical rule bites us, change it fast and change it hard.
 
I’m a little more favorably inclined towards Biden than you and twf - I certainly have no reason to think he’s a rapist as someone here alleged. He seems like a decent person to me (and he’s been in the public eye here virtually my entire adult life).

I don’t know what he was getting at with the ‘if you don’t vote for me you’re not black’ comment which was an obnoxious thing to say but I’m glad he apologized for it and distanced himself from the comments. Can you imagine his opponent apologizing for anything?
 
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Always context. An absolute rule is not reasonable on its face. Why would you assume it? And even if you did, a clarification that an absolute was not intended confirms what’s reasonable. Not unreasonable.
I wasn’t ascribing a negative trait, I was ascribing a positive one. So your examples of chauvinistic is not a good example.
 
Maximus1 said:
An absolute rule is not reasonable on its face. Why would you assume it?
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Why would anyone assume it? Because of decades of hearing and seeing it used to bring people into line or run them out of town.
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I wasn’t ascribing a negative trait, I was ascribing a positive one
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And Biden was only ascribing a positive trait when he said Obama was “articulate, bright, and clean,” so he got a pass…

And when he said poor children are as talented and bright as white children…

In the same way, you ascribed a positive trait in a patronizing way.

I know, I know, in my own opinion. But yours is only opinion too.
 
Must you combat everything? I thought it was interesting from the NY Times. No agenda stated or implied. Do you have a reason to disagree with their findings? Perhaps you believe Biden is doing better with non-whites, or Trump better with women than they found? Or were you just posting for the sake of posting?
 
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