You can’t understand Pope Francis without Juan Perón — and Evita

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boar2roar said:
Juan Peron and his views are more complicated than that. While that is true, he also sheltered fascists and people with far right views. He is somewhat similar to brazils Vargas, a latin American third way type. He had some left wing views, but he wasn’t an anticlerical liberal like Calles or benito juarez. Kind of sad that his judicilaist party has become nothing more than a token socially liberal party.
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Yes, Peronism is a thirdwayism.
 
That reference in the article was not about Juan Peron having a feminist, militant communist mentor, it was about Pope Francis having one.
 
She wasn’t his mentor. She was his supervisor at a chemical lab where he worked prior to entering the seminary to become a Catholic priest, not a communist.
 
Thomas_White said:
She wasn’t his mentor. She was his supervisor at a chemical lab where he worked prior to entering the seminary to become a Catholic priest, not a communist.
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Don’t downplay it.

books.google.com/books?id=AjTUBgAAQBAJ&pg=PT113&lpg=PT113&dq=Ester+Ballestrino+francis&source=bl&ots=fuL4loDq8W&sig=j7dsDqvk2-pS6nhiG0ZDWEVR0ko&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEEQ6AEwCGoVChMIiPH4hcOYxwIVCUqICh1ligB8#v=onepage&q=Ester%20Ballestrino%20francis&f=false

She asked Bergoglio for Last Rites but what she really wanted was help stashing an extensive collection of Marxist books, which he did for her.

Later, Bergoglio helped Ballestrino find her daughter who had been kidnapped.

Ballestrino founded the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo, and frequently reached out to Bergoglio for help.
 
Elizium23 said:
Don’t downplay it.

books.google.com/books?id=AjTUBgAAQBAJ&pg=PT113&lpg=PT113&dq=Ester+Ballestrino+francis&source=bl&ots=fuL4loDq8W&sig=j7dsDqvk2-pS6nhiG0ZDWEVR0ko&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEEQ6AEwCGoVChMIiPH4hcOYxwIVCUqICh1ligB8#v=onepage&q=Ester%20Ballestrino%20francis&f=false

She asked Bergoglio for Last Rites but what she really wanted was help stashing an extensive collection of Marxist books, which he did for her.

Later, Bergoglio helped Ballestrino find her daughter who had been kidnapped.

Ballestrino founded the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo, and frequently reached out to Bergoglio for help.
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Downplay what? Bergoglio was a Catholic priest. Is there something wrong with a Catholic priest helping someone? If those books had been found at that time she probably would have been executed.

And what would be wrong with helping someone to find a daughter who was abducted by the military dictatorship of Argentina and was eventually executed?

The Mothers of the Plazo de Mayo were the relatives of those who had been ‘disappeared’ and murdered by the dictatorship during the Dirty War.

I don’t understand your comment.
 
You downplayed their relationship and reduced it to supervisor/worker when it was more like mentor/protégé and lasted for decades.

And I didn’t say there was anything wrong with any of the activities I listed.
 
Seamus_L said:
The article says otherwise.
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I don’t care what the article says. The relationship between her and Bergoglio was not a relationship where she was the mentor and Bergoglio the protege of militant communism if that is what is implied.
 
I don’t care what the article says. The relationship between her and Bergoglio was not a relationship where she was the mentor and Bergoglio the protege of militant communism if that is what is implied.
 
What I disagree with is any implication that there was a mentor/protege relationship between her and Bergoglio that concerned militant communism. To say only that Pope Francis had a “feminist, militant communist mentor” is at best misleading.

If that were the implication, I was not downplaying it. I was disagreeing.
 
Elizium23 said:
You downplayed their relationship and reduced it to supervisor/worker when it was more like mentor/protégé and lasted for decades.

And I didn’t say there was anything wrong with any of the activities I listed.
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No,Elizium. It says their friendship lasted for decades. And that was and is absolutely usual in our culture .
 
I still find it disturbing. Before the vast majority of us knew very much about then Cardinal Bergoglio, a number of people in certain quarters were very disturbed by the implication that one of Barack Obama’s mentors Frank Marshall Davis was a communist. I think it would be hypocritical to suggest that this is somehow different.
 
Seamus_L said:
I still find it disturbing. Before the vast majority of us knew very much about then Cardinal Bergoglio, a number of people in certain quarters were very disturbed by the implication that one of Barack Obama’s mentors Frank Marshall Davis was a communist. I think it would be hypocritical to suggest that this is somehow different.
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Much of the criticism of Pope Francis results from his supposed conservative political views as a result of his alledged ties to the military dictatorship during the Dirty War. The ‘mentor’ was Esther Ballesteino, and she was kidnapped and executed by the military dictatorship.

The article quotes Bergoglio as saying, “She taught me so much about politics.” It does not mean Bergoglio was a Marxist, and many would refer to this as education. Ballesteino was his friend. The accusations against Bergoglio resulted from his suppression of Marxism in liberation theology while he was the Jesuit provincial of Argentina.

Do you supposed Pope St. John Paul II would have appointed him Archbiship of Buenos Aires, the largest diocese in Argentina, during this time if he were a Marxist? Pope Francis, a Jesuit priest, was not even in the customary line of succession for this appointment.
 
On the eve of a papal visit and descent on Congress, Americans—Catholics in particular—have an obligation to learn the contours of the political climate that shaped Pope Francis. As the veils drop from this pontificate, it looks increasingly like the Second Coming of peronismo. Whatever varietal name you choose for it, populist leftism is experiencing a rebirth, with the Vicar of Christ as an attendant midwife.
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thefederalist.com/2015/09/08/pope-francis-ushers-the-second-coming-of-peronism/
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
thefederalist.com/2015/09/08/pope-francis-ushers-the-second-coming-of-peronism/
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Mrs Mullarsky who wrote the article , is a painter not to sure maybe American,a member of the International Association of Art , and her references are from Art Magazines ,etc.
I ll be introducing you to her paintings ,especially collage…

maureenmullarkey.com/bodies/collages/collages.html
Not being myself an art critic , I prefer not to add a word that may spoil her work.
It would be.totally disrespectful on my part to describe what I have neither clue nor qualification for.

Period.
 
graciew said:
Mrs Mullarsky who wrote the article , is a painter not to sure maybe American,a member of the International Association of Art , and her references are from Art Magazines ,etc.
I ll be introducing you to her paintings ,especially collage…

maureenmullarkey.com/bodies/collages/collages.html
Not being myself an art critic , I prefer not to add a word that may spoil her work.
It would be.totally disrespectful on my part to describe what I have neither clue nor qualification for.

Period.
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If you can’t argue ideas, attack the speaker. Period.
 
Thomas_White said:
Pope Francis cannot be understood when viewed through the prism of political ideology.
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You guys got away with that line for quite a while. People’s initial reaction was that Pope Francis sounded like a Marxist which was quite inaccurate. Who, after all, outside of Argentina was intimately familiar with the ideology and rhetoric of Peronism?

But a growing body of research is revealing to the world the close alignment of Pope Francis with this ideology called “Peronism” and it is increasingly absurd to pretend otherwise.

The important question for serious people is whether there is any reason to expect a different outcome from Pope Francis policies prescriptions and those of the Argentine Peronists.
The Economist might have well have denounced The Sermon on the Mount.
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I am constantly amazed by the lack of charity on the part of those defending Pope Francis.

Peron loved the poor so much that he made sure that there were many more of them.

If Pope Francis is bringing Peronism to the world then we should not be surprised that the accusatory rhetoric comes along with the policies.
 
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