You CAN'T say Marijuana is bad and Alcohol is good

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I haven’t really been getting a clear teaching about the use of marijuana. Most people who condemn it have never smoked it and are completely ignorant of the effects of marijuana compared to the effects of alcohol. I am not trying to say that Marijuana is good for you, but when compared to the effects of alcohol; alcohol is obviously much worse. Yet alcohol is the acceptable drug while marijuana is unacceptable. Alcohol is more addictive and worse for your physical and psychological health. You CAN’T say Marijuana is bad and Alcohol is good. That is like saying Advil is bad, and oxycodone is good and alright to use. I suppose oxycodone good in the way that oxycodone will work much better than Advil at reliving pain, but oxycodone is extremely addictive and damaging to your health compared to Advil. I guess you could say that about alcohol compared to marijuana; that if you goal is simply to get really intoxicated and forget all your problems, then yes alcohol will do a better job at making you forget your problems compared to marijuana. What I’m saying is if marijuana is morally wrong to do, then alcohol must also be morally wrong too. I live in Colorado where marijuana is legal. Here are some facts about the two drugs.

Many people die from alcohol use. Nobody dies from marijuana use. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that more than 37,000 annual U.S. deaths, including more than 1,400 in Colorado, are attributed to alcohol use alone (i.e. this figure does not include accidental deaths). On the other hand, the CDC does not even have a category for deaths caused by the use of marijuana.

People die from alcohol overdoses. There has never been a fatal marijuana overdose. It is impossible to overdose on marijuana. The official publication of the Scientific Research Society, American Scientist, reported that alcohol is one of the most toxic drugs and using just 10 times what one would use to get the desired effect could lead to death. Marijuana is one of – if not the – least toxic drugs, requiring thousands of times the dose one would use to get the desired effect to lead to death. This “thousands of times” is actually theoretical, since there has never been a case of an individual dying from a marijuana overdose. Meanwhile, according to the CDC, hundreds of alcohol overdose deaths occur the United States each year.

Alcohol use damages the brain. Marijuana use does not. Despite the myths we’ve heard throughout our lives about marijuana killing brain cells, it turns out that a growing number of studies seem to indicate that marijuana actually has neuroprotective properties. This means that it works to protect brain cells from harm. For example, one recent study found that teens who used marijuana as well as alcohol suffered significantly less damage to the white matter in their brains. Of course, what is beyond question is that alcohol damages brain cells.

Alcohol use is linked to cancer. Marijuana use is not. Alcohol use is associated with a wide variety of cancers, including cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, lungs, pancreas, liver and prostate. Marijuana use has not been conclusively associated with any form of cancer. In fact, one study recently contradicted the long-time government claim that marijuana use is associated with head and neck cancers. It found that marijuana use actually reduced the likelihood of head and neck cancers. If you are concerned about marijuana being associated with lung cancer, you may be interested in the results of the largest case-controlled study ever conducted to investigate the respiratory effects of marijuana smoking and cigarette smoking. Released in 2006, the study, conducted by Dr. Donald Tashkin at the University of California at Los Angeles, found that marijuana smoking was not associated with an increased risk of developing lung cancer. Surprisingly, the researchers found that people who smoked marijuana actually had lower incidences of cancer compared to non-users of the drug.

Alcohol is more addictive than marijuana. Addiction researchers have consistently reported that marijuana is far less addictive than alcohol based on a number of factors. In particular, alcohol use can result in significant and potentially fatal physical withdrawal, whereas marijuana has not been found to produce any symptoms of physical withdrawal. Those who use alcohol are also much more likely to develop dependence and build tolerance.

Alcohol use increases the risk of injury to the consumer. Marijuana use does not. Many people who have consumed alcohol or know others who have consumed alcohol would not be surprised to hear that it greatly increases the risk of serious injury. Research published this year in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical & Experimental Research, found that 36 percent of hospitalized assaults and 21 percent of all injuries are attributable to alcohol use by the injured person. Meanwhile, the American Journal of Emergency Medicine reported that lifetime use of marijuana is rarely associated with emergency room visits. According to the British Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, this is because: “Cannabis differs from alcohol … in one major respect. It does not seem to increase risk-taking behavior. This means that cannabis rarely contributes to violence either to others or to oneself, whereas alcohol use is a major factor in deliberate self-harm, domestic accidents and violence.” Interestingly enough, some research has even shown that marijuana use has been associated with a decreased risk of injury.
 
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Alcohol use contributes to aggressive and violent behavior. Marijuana use does not. Studies have repeatedly shown that alcohol, unlike marijuana, contributes to the likelihood of aggessive and violent behavior. An article published in the Journal of Addictive Behaviors reported that “alcohol is clearly the drug with the most evidence to support a direct intoxication-violence relationship,” whereas “cannabis reduces the likelihood of violence during intoxication.”

Alcohol use is a major factor in violent crimes. Marijuana use is not. The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism estimates that 25-30% of violent crimes in the United States are linked to the use of alcohol. According to a report from the U.S. Dept. of Justice, that translates to about 5,000,000 alcohol-related violent crimes per year. By contrast, the government does not even track violent acts specifically related to marijuana use, as the use of marijuana has not been associated with violence. (Of course, we should note that marijuana prohibition, by creating a widespread criminal market, is associated with acts of violence.)

Alcohol use contributes to the likelihood of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Marijuana use does not. Alcohol is a major contributing factor in the prevalence of domestic violence and sexual assault. This is not to say that alcohol causes these problems; rather, its use makes it more likely that an individual prone to such behavior will act on it. For example, a study conducted by the Research Institute on Addictions found that among individuals who were chronic partner abusers, the use of alcohol was associated with significant increases in the daily likelihood of male-to-female physical aggression, but the use of marijuana was not. Specifically, the odds of abuse were eight times higher on days when men were drinking; the odds of severe abuse were 11 times higher. According to the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network (RAINN) website highlights alcohol as the “most commonly used chemical in crimes of sexual assault” and provides information on an array of other drugs that have been linked to sexual violence. Given the fact that marijuana is so accessible and widely used, it is quite telling that the word “marijuana” does not appear anywhere on the page.

What I’m saying is if marijuana is morally wrong to do, then alcohol must also be morally wrong. So all in all, I think marijuana use must be alright in moderation like alcohol or tobacco.
 
So you join this web site - and your first two posts are simply to do a “cut and paste” from another site instead of trying to talk in your own words.

what are you trying to accomplish?
 
So you join this web site - and your first two posts are simply to do a “cut and paste” from another site instead of trying to talk in your own words.

what are you trying to accomplish?
Trying to get a clear explanation of why alcohol and tobacco is acceptable and marijuana is not.

This is Catholic Answers right? Where if people have moral dilemmas on issues of the faith they can come here and discuss it. Sorry if I mis-understood that. I am a Catholic, and I want to follow what my church says to do. If it is wrong to do, then I want to stop, but how can you say that marijuana is wrong and alcohol okay.
  • Also, yes I did copy and paste a lot of this from another website. But the facts are the facts, and this isn’t an college English paper where I am going to get in trouble for plagiarism?😉
 
Trying to get a clear explanation of why alcohol and tobacco is acceptable and marijuana is not.

This is Catholic Answers right? Where if people have moral dilemmas on issues of the faith they can come here and discuss it. Sorry if I mis-understood that. I am a Catholic, and I want to follow what my church says to do. If it is wrong to do, then I want to stop, but how can you say that marijuana is wrong and alcohol okay.
  • Also, yes I did copy and paste a lot of this from another website. But the facts are the facts, and this isn’t an college English paper where I am going to get in trouble for plagiarism?😉
Recent research shows some significant dangers to cannabis use.

“Cannabis is the most commonly used illicit drug in the world, particularly among adolescents. The use of cannabis is consistently associated with mental illness, in particular psychotic disorder.”

In the article “incident cannabis use is investigated in relation to later incident psychotic symptoms or disorder.” It found “Cannabis use precedes the onset of psychotic symptoms in individuals with no history of psychotic experiences; incident cannabis use was associated with incident psychotic experiences four years later.”

It cautioned: “Continued use of cannabis might increase the risk for psychotic disorder by impacting on persistence of (normally transitory) psychotic experiences in young people.”
[Rebecca Kuepper, et al., “Continued cannabis use and risk of incidence and persistence of psychotic symptoms: 10 year follow-up cohort study,” *BMJ 2011;342:d738]

The article cites these prior studies.

Perkonigg A, Goodwin RD, Fiedler A, Behrendt S, Beesdo K, Lieb R, et al. “The natural course of cannabis use, abuse and dependence during the first decades of life.” Addiction 2008;103:439-51.

Wittchen HU, Frohlich C, Behrendt S, Gunther A, Rehm J, Zimmermann P, et al. “Cannabis use and cannabis use disorders and their relationship to mental disorders: a 10-year prospectivelongitudinal community study in adolescents. Drug and Alcohol Dependence 2007;88(suppl 1):60-70S.

Moore TH, Zammit S, Lingford-Hughes A,Barnes TR, Jones PB, BurkeM, et al. “Cannabis use and risk of psychotic or affectivemental health outcomes: a systematic review.” Lancet 2007;370:319-28.

Van Os J, BakM,Hanssen M, Bijl RV, de Graaf R, VerdouxH. “Cannabis use and psychosis: a longitudinal population-based study.” American Journal of Epidemiology 2002;156:319-27.

Henquet C, Krabbendam L, Spauwen J, Kaplan C, Lieb R, Wittchen HU, et al. “Prospective cohort study of cannabis use, predisposition for psychosis, and psychotic symptoms in young people.” BMJ 2005;330:11.

Arseneault L, Cannon M, Witton J, Murray RM. “Causal association between cannabis and psychosis: examination of the evidence.” British Journal of Psychiatry 2004;184:110-7.

Semple DM, McIntosh AM, Lawrie SM. “Cannabis as a risk factor for psychosis: systematic review.” Journal of Psychopharmacology 2005;19:187-94.

Degenhardt L, Hall W. “Is cannabis use a contributory cause of psychosis?” Canadian Journal of Psychiatry 2006;51:556-65.
 
Trying to get a clear explanation of why alcohol and tobacco is acceptable and marijuana is not.

This is Catholic Answers right? Where if people have moral dilemmas on issues of the faith they can come here and discuss it. Sorry if I mis-understood that. I am a Catholic, and I want to follow what my church says to do. If it is wrong to do, then I want to stop, but how can you say that marijuana is wrong and alcohol okay.
  • Also, yes I did copy and paste a lot of this from another website. But the facts are the facts, and this isn’t an college English paper where I am going to get in trouble for plagiarism?😉
If I’m not mistaken tobacco is seen as bad even though it is legal because it causes harm (COPD, Lung and throat cancer) so in a way you are hurting yourself to the point of death.
Now alcohol, the bible does say especially in the book of Sirac, that one can drink but moderately. Drinking is ok, unfortunately people like to get drunk and do stupidity. that is were the Church condemns drinking.
 
The problem is that you cannot use marijuana “in moderation”. It’s very hard to control how high you get. You can take two puffs off a pipe and be high as a kite. Drinking is allowed because you can have two beers and still be totally able to function. Another issue is that is much more difficult to monitor. If someone is driving drunk or caring for children drunk it is easy for a cop to come and give a breathalyzer test. A cop can’t make you take a urine test on the side of the road. Most people pushing for pot use want to be able to use it at ALL times. Even when operating vehicles, caring for children, working, etc.
 
Accoridng to the Confession App, Mea Culpa:

Intemperance (overeating or drinking too much) and smoking tobbaco are both Venial Sins (under the Commandment of Thou Shall Not Kill)

Taking illegal drugs and driving drunk are both Mortal Sins.

If you make the argument that tobbaco and marijuana are the same or that tobbaco is worse for you then, smoking Marijuana would still a Mortal Sin because it’s acutally three or four sins in one… the Venial sin of smoking + breaking civil law without just cause + (helping others to sin: i.e. the seller & anyone who is with you when smoking).

The arguement of whether marjuana should be legal or not is a different issue. But as long as it’s illegal, it will be a greater sin than drinking and smoking tobbaco.

NOTE: Personally, I do NOT think marijuana should be legal and believe it is worse for society than tobbaco & alcohol.

Hope this helps & God Bless.
 
Our LORD Himself drank wine. To say now that it is bad would be to try to improve upon Him. Not a good idea.

I don’t have a good answer for tobacco. I don’t sympathize with it.

But our LORD never used pot, and was not favorable to practices to fuddle the human mind. Even in the last agonies of His death, He remained clear headed!

I don’t think He would sympathize with the pot culture.

ICXC NIKA.
 
Accoridng to the Confession App, Mea Culpa:

Intemperance (overeating or drinking too much) and smoking tobbaco are both Venial Sins (under the Commandment of Thou Shall Not Kill)

Taking illegal drugs and driving drunk are both Mortal Sins.

If you make the argument that tobbaco and marijuana are the same or that tobbaco is worse for you then, smoking Marijuana would still a Mortal Sin because it’s acutally three or four sins in one… the Venial sin of smoking + breaking civil law without just cause + (helping others to sin: i.e. the seller & anyone who is with you when smoking).

The arguement of whether marjuana should be legal or not is a different issue. But as long as it’s illegal, it will be a greater sin than drinking and smoking tobbaco.

NOTE: Personally, I do NOT think marijuana should be legal and believe it is worse for society than tobbaco & alcohol.

Hope this helps & God Bless.
So if i went to Amsterdam or Uruguay its not a mortal sin or even Washington state but anywhere else it is illegal I am committing a mortal sin.
 
Marijuana is bad and Alcohol (in moderation) is good.

Wait, I can say it. :eek:

Jesus didn’t toke (or whatever it’s called these days) at the Last Supper.

Case closed.🙂
 
Trying to get a clear explanation of why alcohol and tobacco is acceptable and marijuana is not.

This is Catholic Answers right? Where if people have moral dilemmas on issues of the faith they can come here and discuss it. Sorry if I mis-understood that. I am a Catholic, and I want to follow what my church says to do. If it is wrong to do, then I want to stop, but how can you say that marijuana is wrong and alcohol okay.
  • Also, yes I did copy and paste a lot of this from another website. But the facts are the facts, and this isn’t an college English paper where I am going to get in trouble for plagiarism?😉
When alcohol is used without moderation it is very bad. Unfortunately, many people use it to excess. When used with moderation it is fine.

Tobacco has bad effects on the health of lungs; I do not use it, and I see that many have quit its use. That is a good thing.

I am a senior, senior citizen, and I can honestly say that I have never tried marijuana and have never been offered it. However, I have heard those who have tried it, and those who have used it fairly regularly say this:
  1. "I like to smoke it because it helps me ‘know’ things. (so-called “spiritual things.”)
  2. " My life is a wreck right now, and I smoke it to relieve stress."
To my way of thinking those two reasons would show me that those persons need the help and compassion of good friends, and more importantly, a good prayer life. Getting to know our Lord Jesus Christ and meditating on His Life and sufferings can help for real in the above two cases. Believers do not have to escape to feel better. And the same goes for people who drink to excess.

My thoughts are that it is an escape from what we should be facing in this life.
 
Recent research shows some significant dangers to cannabis use.

“Cannabis is the most commonly used illicit drug in the world, particularly among adolescents. The use of cannabis is consistently associated with mental illness, in particular psychotic disorder.”

In the article “incident cannabis use is investigated in relation to later incident psychotic symptoms or disorder.” It found “Cannabis use precedes the onset of psychotic symptoms in individuals with no history of psychotic experiences; incident cannabis use was associated with incident psychotic experiences four years later.”

It cautioned: “Continued use of cannabis might increase the risk for psychotic disorder by impacting on persistence of (normally transitory) psychotic experiences in young people.”
[Rebecca Kuepper, et al., “Continued cannabis use and risk of incidence and persistence of psychotic symptoms: 10 year follow-up cohort study,” *BMJ
2011;342:d738]

The article cites these prior studies.

Perkonigg A, Goodwin RD, Fiedler A, Behrendt S, Beesdo K, Lieb R, et al. “The natural course of cannabis use, abuse and dependence during the first decades of life.” Addiction 2008;103:439-51.

Wittchen HU, Frohlich C, Behrendt S, Gunther A, Rehm J, Zimmermann P, et al. “Cannabis use and cannabis use disorders and their relationship to mental disorders: a 10-year prospectivelongitudinal community study in adolescents. Drug and Alcohol Dependence 2007;88(suppl 1):60-70S.

Moore TH, Zammit S, Lingford-Hughes A,Barnes TR, Jones PB, BurkeM, et al. “Cannabis use and risk of psychotic or affectivemental health outcomes: a systematic review.” Lancet 2007;370:319-28.

Van Os J, BakM,Hanssen M, Bijl RV, de Graaf R, VerdouxH. “Cannabis use and psychosis: a longitudinal population-based study.” American Journal of Epidemiology 2002;156:319-27.

Henquet C, Krabbendam L, Spauwen J, Kaplan C, Lieb R, Wittchen HU, et al. “Prospective cohort study of cannabis use, predisposition for psychosis, and psychotic symptoms in young people.” BMJ 2005;330:11.

Arseneault L, Cannon M, Witton J, Murray RM. “Causal association between cannabis and psychosis: examination of the evidence.” British Journal of Psychiatry 2004;184:110-7.

Semple DM, McIntosh AM, Lawrie SM. “Cannabis as a risk factor for psychosis: systematic review.” Journal of Psychopharmacology 2005;19:187-94.

Degenhardt L, Hall W. “Is cannabis use a contributory cause of psychosis?” Canadian Journal of Psychiatry 2006;51:556-65.

I’m not saying that marijuana is good for you, but if you want to argue that marijuana is bad leads to mental disorders, then you need to explain how alcohol doesn’t lead to mental disorders. Heavy, prolonged drinking – especially excessive daily drinking – disrupts the brain’s neurotransmitters, the brain chemicals that transmit messages. Alcohol withdrawl causes hallucination, anxiety, depression, insomnia, and seizures. There is no such withdrawl from marijuana, or any withdrawl for that matter.
 
Accoridng to the Confession App, Mea Culpa:

Intemperance (overeating or drinking too much) and smoking tobbaco are both Venial Sins (under the Commandment of Thou Shall Not Kill)

Taking illegal drugs and driving drunk are both Mortal Sins.

If you make the argument that tobbaco and marijuana are the same or that tobbaco is worse for you then, smoking Marijuana would still a Mortal Sin because it’s acutally three or four sins in one… the Venial sin of smoking + breaking civil law without just cause + (helping others to sin: i.e. the seller & anyone who is with you when smoking).

The arguement of whether marjuana should be legal or not is a different issue. But as long as it’s illegal, it will be a greater sin than drinking and smoking tobbaco.

NOTE: Personally, I do NOT think marijuana should be legal and believe it is worse for society than tobbaco & alcohol.

Hope this helps & God Bless.
I live in Colorado. It is no longer a crime. I do agree that no Christian should break civil law and that is a sin, but civil law says its legal now. 👍
 
Marijuana is bad and Alcohol (in moderation) is good.

Wait, I can say it. :eek:

Jesus didn’t toke (or whatever it’s called these days) at the Last Supper.

Case closed.🙂
You can also say that pigs can fly. That doesn’t make it an logically true statement.

Many protestants have a similar argument that you just made for Jesus not toking for homosexuality being acceptable. They say Jesus also didn’t specifically say homosexuality is wrong (not that I’m saying its right) so does that me it’s alright? :confused: That logic is flawed.
 
I’m not saying that marijuana is good for you, but if you want to argue that marijuana is bad leads to mental disorders, then you need to explain how alcohol doesn’t lead to mental disorders. Heavy, prolonged drinking – especially excessive daily drinking – disrupts the brain’s neurotransmitters, the brain chemicals that transmit messages. Alcohol withdrawl causes hallucination, anxiety, depression, insomnia, and seizures. There is no such withdrawl from marijuana, or any withdrawl for that matter.
And heavy, prolonged drinking is bad, moderate drinking is not.
 
When alcohol is used without moderation it is very bad. Unfortunately, many people use it to excess. When used with moderation it is fine.

Tobacco has bad effects on the health of lungs; I do not use it, and I see that many have quit its use. That is a good thing.

I am a senior, senior citizen, and I can honestly say that I have never tried marijuana and have never been offered it. However, I have heard those who have tried it, and those who have used it fairly regularly say this:
  1. "I like to smoke it because it helps me ‘know’ things. (so-called “spiritual things.”)
  2. " My life is a wreck right now, and I smoke it to relieve stress."
To my way of thinking those two reasons would show me that those persons need the help and compassion of good friends, and more importantly, a good prayer life. Getting to know our Lord Jesus Christ and meditating on His Life and sufferings can help for real in the above two cases. Believers do not have to escape to feel better. And the same goes for people who drink to excess.

My thoughts are that it is an escape from what we should be facing in this life.
I completely agree. It is an escape from reality. Yet my question still remains how alcohol is acceptable and marijuana is not. From this premise, both alcohol and marijuana should not be allowed, and maybe that is the truth and how it should be.
 
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