You CAN'T say Marijuana is bad and Alcohol is good

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As this is a Catholic Forum, we should acknowledge that we are alive to do God’s Will on Earth as it is in Heaven, to cite part of the Lord’s Prayer. Our daily efforts should bring us closer to Christ.

Yes, there is danger in Alcohol. There is also danger in Marijuana. It is a false argument to say that just because one danger is allowed, the other danger must also be allowed.

We are put at risk by abuse of alcohol. Are we not also put at risk by the use of marijuana? How is putting others, including ourselves, at risk exercising the LOVE that Christ expects of us?

To those who say they have stress in their life and need relief I would say they would be better off by trying to improve their relationship with God.

Honor and integrity also matter. Will the people that matter the most to you admire your Honor and integrity when they realize you use marijuana? Perhaps some will tolerate it because we all know none of us are perfect. But will they admire you and look to you for leadership?
 
VeritasLuxMea said:
These people that drink but do not want it to alter their brain in any way (“get drunk” as you put it), what are they drinking for?

Any citations to show that everyone who ingests THC is only doing it “to get stoned”?
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I can only answer the first part, as I do that from time to time. I will, once in a while, have a glass of scotch after a week of work. I and a good friend will sit down, and unwind discussing anything in the world that crosses our minds, and over the course of an hour or two, slowly sip away at the scotch, enjoying the flavors of the alcohol, and enjoying the relatively intelligent conversation, and sometimes just unloading of the frustrating work week to one another. Neither of us ever drinking quickly enough to be effected by the alcohol itself, but the slow pace and conversation helps us to relax. I rarely dink to the point where I feel any effects of alcohol any longer, usually limiting myself to 1 drink/hour or less, and only imbibing those drinks for which I have grown fond of their flavors.

That’s not to say I don’t sometimes end up drinking more than I should, but that is a rare occurrence, and not usually done intentionally.
 
720joeG said:
You do get high off nicotine, and nicotine is much more harmful to your health than marijuana, though the high doesn’t last as long.
I can see what you are saying. But what I’m saying is why is me smoking a bowl to relax after a hard day is looked down upon when we have parties at the Church where everyone gets completely plastered, Priest, Deacons, and the rest of the parish. But then if I want to smoke weed instead of drink (which is less harmful) that is more wrong. :confused:
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I haven’t seen that at my parish at all. In fact, at a K of C dinner and dance we were not allowed to bring our own bottle, there was no alcohoi at all. And a fun time was had by all.
 
720joeG said:
Completely disagree. You can be a little high, and then be EXTREMELY high, just like you can be a little tipsy and completely drunk. Especially if you choose to eat marijuana instead of smoke it. Then you don’t even have the harm to your lungs from smoking.
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The primary purpose of THC is its intoxicating effect. With alcohol, you can drink it for flavor or sustenance and keep the intoxicating effect to a minimum.
 
I think it is all bad. But at least someone drinking next to me and my kids won’t get us drunk. A person smoking pot will get up high. I don’t appreciate being told I have to tolerate my own health decline because someone else wants to get high.
 
edwest2 said:
It’s not a good choice. I would vote against any law to legalize it where I live.

Peace,
Ed
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Aye.

If my state legalizes it, I move.

I don’t believe anyone has really brought up the link between THC and mental disorders? because it’s there…

Simply put, the Church does not approve of Mary J. Check your Catechism.
 
hu324b said:
So if i went to Amsterdam or Uruguay its not a mortal sin or even Washington state but anywhere else it is illegal I am committing a mortal sin.
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I don’t know about Uruguay, but in the Netherlands only citizens can purchase marijuana. As for WA State, seems to me there’s still a difference of opinion between the federal gov’t and the state gov’t. You could still be breaking federal law.

You could always come to Canada and become a Mountie… :rolleyes:
 
Havard said:
The primary purpose of THC is its intoxicating effect. With alcohol, you can drink it for flavor or sustenance and keep the intoxicating effect to a minimum.
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I would disagree with you as far as vodka is concerned.
 
John_Lazarus said:
I don’t know about Uruguay, but in the Netherlands only citizens can purchase marijuana. As for WA State, seems to me there’s still a difference of opinion between the federal gov’t and the state gov’t. You could still be breaking federal law.

You could always come to Canada and become a Mountie… :rolleyes:
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Technically, they are breaking federal law, but the federal government has chosen not to pursue users in states where it is legal.

Ultimately, this issue will surface all over America, but here in TX, hopefully not before the year starts with a 21.

Why are so many ostensible Catholics on this system so anxious to defend marijuana?

We were not given our human minds to fuddle them!

ICXC NIKA
 
John_Lazarus said:
I don’t know about Uruguay, but in the Netherlands only citizens can purchase marijuana. As for WA State, seems to me there’s still a difference of opinion between the federal gov’t and the state gov’t. You could still be breaking federal law.

You could always come to Canada and become a Mountie… :rolleyes:
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I am a Canadian and it will be in the next federal election - the liberals will jump all over it in the next election.
I don’t believe it should be legalized I believe in decriminalizing it - no ones life should be ruined with acriminal record for smoking it and the huge amounts of money to enforce it has been a huge waste with no impact at all. People here don’t like helping the poor but want to waste all this money on a lost cause that has never worked - the money should be spent on education and reabilitation.
 
hu324b said:
I am a Canadian and it will be in the next federal election - the liberals will jump all over it in the next election.
I don’t believe it should be legalized I believe in decriminalizing it - no ones life should be ruined with acriminal record for smoking it and the huge amounts of money to enforce it has been a huge waste with no impact at all. People here don’t like helping the poor but want to waste all this money on a lost cause that has never worked - the money should be spent on education and reabilitation.
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Please don’t change the subject.

Peace,
Ed
 
GEddie said:
Technically, they are breaking federal law, but the federal government has chosen not to pursue users in states where it is legal.

Ultimately, this issue will surface all over America, but here in TX, hopefully not before the year starts with a 21.

Why are so many ostensible Catholics on this system so anxious to defend marijuana?

We were not given our human minds to fuddle them!

ICXC NIKA
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Personally I can’t see how becoming a Stoner Nation will improve the prospects of any country. (or individual)
 
I have seen the brains during autopsies of teenagers who only used MJ. Those brains had huge dead black spots caused by MJ. I can’t understand why anyone would defend its use.
 
720joeG said:
I’m not saying that marijuana is good for you, but if you want to argue that marijuana is bad leads to mental disorders, then you need to explain how alcohol doesn’t lead to mental disorders. Heavy, prolonged drinking – especially excessive daily drinking – disrupts the brain’s neurotransmitters, the brain chemicals that transmit messages. Alcohol withdrawl causes hallucination, anxiety, depression, insomnia, and seizures. There is no such withdrawl from marijuana, or any withdrawl for that matter.
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These studies show that regular but not excessive use of cannabis is associated with psychotic disorders. Regular but not excessive use of alcohol does not show the same association over a broad population.

Also there is the fact that alcoholic beverages have a culinary and constructive cultural side to them. Wine making, for example, produces a work of art that is pleasing to the eye and palate and paired with dining. Alcohol is within that broader context. Beer and distilled spirits are similar. Cannabis is grown and smoked or ingested for the sole purpose of getting high. In that regard it is another drug to “do” in the drug culture.

It is true that alcohol can be abused, and when it is it becomes like cannabis another drug to “do” in the drug culture. Alcohol need not be that way for the reasons I gave.
 
Fr_of_Jazz said:
These studies show that regular but not excessive use of cannabis is associated with psychotic disorders. Regular but not excessive use of alcohol does not show the same association over a broad population.

Also there is the fact that alcoholic beverages have a culinary and constructive cultural side to them. Wine making, for example, produces a work of art that is pleasing to the eye and palate and paired with dining. Alcohol is within that broader context. Beer and distilled spirits are similar. Cannabis is grown and smoked or ingested for the sole purpose of getting high. In that regard it is another drug to “do” in the drug culture.

It is true that alcohol can be abused, and when it is it becomes like cannabis another drug to “do” in the drug culture. Alcohol need not be that way for the reasons I gave.
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I like a Beer now and then. And I am certain there are Monks and Monasteries who brew Beer 🙂

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weihenstephan_Abbey
 
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