You CAN'T say Marijuana is bad and Alcohol is good

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Layp3rs0n said:
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

Hey guys, hey guys. Guess what! The CCC says it is a grave sin. See CCC#2291.

Rome has spoken. Case OFFICIALLY closed.
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It says: “unless on strictly therapeutic grounds”… Medical marijuana is prescribed here in CA only by doctors. The same doctors licensed to prescribe all other therapeutic drugs.

…so it’s not a sin here.

Actually, it’s the drugs alcohol, caffeine and tobacco that are bought and sold non-medically that are used for non-therapeutic purposes.:eek:

…so it’s a MORTAL sin to drink coffee and beer. Also to smoke cigarettes.
 
fbl9 said:
gee buck I made over 100 grand on my farm last yr what did you do accomplish.:mad:
oh yeah my friends all worked last yr, some buying their first home some making the same if not more off their farms. again buck what did you accomplish.
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Grammar please, capitalization exists for a reason. (You might want to place a (?) after ‘accomplish’ as well.
 
TEPO said:
It says: “unless on strictly therapeutic grounds”… Medical marijuana is prescribed here in CA only by doctors. The same doctors licensed to prescribe all other therapeutic drugs.

…so it’s not a sin here.

Actually, it’s the drugs alcohol, caffeine and tobacco that are bought and sold non-medically that are used for non-therapeutic purposes.:eek:

…so it’s a MORTAL sin to drink coffee and beer. Also to smoke cigarettes.
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Please note the CCC speaks of alcohol as a different case.
The topic here is not medical usage, but usage in general, whether it be medical or recreational.
 
Layp3rs0n said:
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

Hey guys, hey guys. Guess what! The CCC says it is a grave sin. See CCC#2291.

Rome has spoken. Case OFFICIALLY closed.
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CCC 2291 does not say marijuana specifically is a drug. The case is not closed. You may come up with prudential arguments for why it should be classified as a drug in the CCC 2291 sense, but faithful people of good will can disagree about that question.
 
TEPO said:
If the truth were ever told, many people would be shocked to find out how many average, everyday people were ‘puffers’… Possibly even including family members and friends in some cases.
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You are absolutely right. This is one of the biggest “dirty secrets” we Americans have. This has turned into a subculture that glorifies rebellion and has destroyed tens of thousands of lives because of it’s support of the illegal drug trade.

We Americans need to repent of our rebellion and ask forgiveness for willing to be associated with a diabolical business that is the cause of much suffering and death here in the US and Central America. In fact our support of the drug trade has ruined the economies of many countries in Central America and instead of Americans being concerned they turn away Christian immigrants to go starve in their country.
 
I’m just going to lay low and stay quiet. 30 years later after there’s been a huge test pool of studies, everybody is going to know what is already obvious: smoking marijuana turns you into a retard.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
CCC 2291 does not say marijuana specifically is a drug. The case is not closed. You may come up with prudential arguments for why it should be classified as a drug in the CCC 2291 sense, but faithful people of good will can disagree about that question.
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With all due respect the Catechism is clear, marijuana is an illicit and illegal drug and should never be used nor much less promoted by Christians.

I would ask that all that use marijuana to examine their conscience as to why they desire to use it so much. As I have used it and grew up with many people using it I can say people use it for social reasons only. In fact it has become part of an American subculture that people associate it’s use as being close to “mother earth”. This is another false religion.
 
Hobbes42 said:
Please note the CCC speaks of alcohol as a different case.
The topic here is not medical usage, but usage in general, whether it be medical or recreational.
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Well that was my response to another posters mention of CCC 2291, which specifically mentioned the differences between “therapeutic” and 'non-therapeutic" drug use. Perhaps you should correct that poster on what the topic is here.

…but to say the comparison between marijuana and alcohol cannot evolve into a “medical” discussion is not really fair after all -since the CCC has already been invoked. 😉
 
Catolico65 said:
You are absolutely right. This is one of the biggest “dirty secrets” we Americans have. This has turned into a subculture that glorifies rebellion and has destroyed tens of thousands of lives because of it’s support of the illegal drug trade.

We Americans need to repent of our rebellion and ask forgiveness for willing to be associated with a diabolical business that is the cause of much suffering and death here in the US and Central America. In fact our support of the drug trade has ruined the economies of many countries in Central America and instead of Americans being concerned they turn away Christian immigrants to go starve in their country.
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Amen to that. 👍

Many people believe that the US government could do a much better job preventing illegal drugs from entering our southern border. From what I’ve heard by some, is that while drugs flow north, guns flow south. It’s these mutual billion dollar trade industries that need to stop, and I mean now.

This is a much bigger political issue IMHO, than all the current “gay” political controversies by far.
 
Although IANAD, I’d say that yes, MJ is a drug.

It’s used as one. Folks do not smoke it because they love the taste or smell; they do so to get the mind/body effect. That’s a drug.

Alcohol has drug effects, but drinkers (ie, wine buffs) aren’t always seeking them, but rather the taste, bouquet, etc.

Likewise, tobacco, especially in its non-cigarette forms, is often consumed for taste etc.

There’s a difference.

With tobacco, there is further the issue that except for “secondhand smoke” and fires caused by its negligent use, tobacco affects only the somatic state of its user. The Church has never been in the business of requiring the healthiest behavior of its faithful.

ICXC NIKA
 
Catolico65 said:
With all due respect the Catechism is clear, marijuana is an illicit and illegal drug and should never be used nor much less promoted by Christians.
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Where marijuana is illegal, that aspect of the Catechism applies. In places where it is legal, those paragraphs f the Catechism do not apply… I was responding to Layp3re0n who was citing CCC 2291, which is not about illegality. I tend to agree with your prudential judgement that marijuana is harmful. But that judgement is not a simple consequence of any paragraph in the Catechism.
 
Catolico65 said:
With all due respect the Catechism is clear, marijuana is an illicit and illegal drug and should never be used nor much less promoted by Christians.

I would ask that all that use marijuana to examine their conscience as to why they desire to use it so much. As I have used it and grew up with many people using it I can say people use it for social reasons only. In fact it has become part of an American subculture that people associate it’s use as being close to “mother earth”. This is another false religion.
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It can be said also that alcohol is used for social reasons. The subculture of the alcoholic is bar fights, strip clubs, and beating women and children on occasion.
 
GEddie said:
Likewise, tobacco, especially in its non-cigarette forms, is often consumed for taste etc.
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If you removed the addictive substance, nicotine, and left in all the “taste, etc.” I don’t think you would get 1% of current smokers to continue for the taste alone. Nicotine has a proven direct effect on brain chemistry. That is why withdrawal produces such sensations of jittery nerves. You need a cigarette just to continue to function normally. That is not the kind of behavior one would expect of something which is consumed for taste.
 
Don’t get me wrong though. I do enjoy an alcoholic beverage every now and then. I try to avoid the hard stuff as much as possible. 😛
 
LeafByNiggle said:
If you removed the addictive substance, nicotine, and left in all the “taste, etc.” I don’t think you would get 1% of current smokers to continue for the taste alone. Nicotine has a proven direct effect on brain chemistry. That is why withdrawal produces such sensations of jittery nerves. You need a cigarette just to continue to function normally. That is not the kind of behavior one would expect of something which is consumed for taste.
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While that is true, it is more so in cigarettes, which have been treated to concentrate the nicotine.

I think also with smoking, there is a psychological component (something to use the hands for, as a release of stress).

ICXC NIKA
 
So many replies, and I don’t know if this was covered or not:

Alcohol withdrawal is one of (if not the) only withdrawals that can kill you. From what I know, if you go cold turkey on any of the others (heroin, cocaine, marijuana, etc.) you will be really sick and miserable for a week or more, but you won’t die. Whereas with booze you very well might die.

That’s not to say marijuana isn’t bad, but I’d say it’s probably not as dangerous.
 
TEPO said:
Amen to that. 👍

Many people believe that the US government could do a much better job preventing illegal drugs from entering our southern border. From what I’ve heard by some, is that while drugs flow north, guns flow south. It’s these mutual billion dollar trade industries that need to stop, and I mean now.

This is a much bigger political issue IMHO, than all the current “gay” political controversies by far.
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Actually the bigger problem we have now is that people think the government has to control the border and create plethoras of laws to maintain, in other words the state would pretend to supplant God. This has failed and will continue to fail as a government and it’s laws are only a reflection of the values of it’s citizens, or lack thereof.

In fact this topic is a perfect example of the lack of values of Americans because many supposed Christians would promote an illicit drug that would cause their fellow man to suffer, in direct conflict with the Bible. We have become a nation that would try to juggle being Christian and godless values and use legalism and consensus as justification.
 
TEPO said:
It can be said also that alcohol is used for social reasons. The subculture of the alcoholic is bar fights, strip clubs, and beating women and children on occasion.
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You are right, the excessive use of alcohol like marijuana is bad and prohibited by the Bible.
 
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