"You cant't become Catholic if your wife doesn't want you to."

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Hello and first of all, I’ll pray for you and your family. Also, I agree with the others who are saying that it sounds like your wife is being manipulated.

I am young and have never been married, but, when I have read your threads on this issue, several ideas for arguments came to mind and I don’t think someone has posted them on any of your threads. So, here they are, for wha it’s worth.
  1. While I have never encountered rabidly anti-Catholic protestants before, from what I’ve read on CAF, they seem to usually have the same morals with the exception of contraception as Catholics, although, with different reasoning. Since your wife does not like the idea of a mixed marriage, I would argue that a mixed marriage is feasible if you two have the same morals. I mean, it is not like you two will have to keep undermining each other to teach your son what is right and wrong. It is not like a marriage between a pro-life and a pro-choice person in which the pro-choice parent might take their kid to have an abortion against the will of the other parent.
  2. Also, does your wife and her pastors realize that divorce over this issue could sour your son off from Christianity? If religious differences broke the family apart, he may not want anything ever to do with religion.
  3. On a similar note from 2, say you decide not to convert. Even a small child can tell whether a parent is convinced at church or just going through the motions. There is no way that he is not going to find out that your wife and her church has been holding you a religious hostage. Imagine what he would think of his mother and his childhood church when he does see that? Even if he does not leave Christianity all together, he would likely leave her church.
Anyway, I do not know much and sorry if this was unhelpful. These were just the things that immediatley jumped out at me. Anyway, good luck on your journey. You can always come to CAF for support.
 
Thank you everyone for your replies. So this morning I got an e-mail for Samantha asking me why I didn’t participate in the communion. I replied that for it me it was a matter of conscious and I didn’t want them to get hot under the collar again like the time they visited me to dissuade me from joining the Catholic Church at my home and I was more than willing
to discuss with them if they were willing to have a friendship discussion without getting hot under the collar.

She thought I was joking. Nope. I said this:

"No, I am quite serious. The last time we had a discussion back in May at my home, the discussion became quite heated and I wish to avoid that.

If you don’t mind, there is a book that I’d like to share with you that had a huge influence on me. Huge, huge influence. I was wondering if you’d be okay with that.

Sincerely,

Cyril."

She replied with this message:

“Hi Cyril, If you remember correctly, at that time you were wanting to join the Catholic Church which we could see was going to have terrible consequences for your already shaky marriage. That is the reason we got “hot under the collar”. As now you are thinking of your marriage first, there should be no problem.
Hopefully you are enjoying looking up about baptism in the Scriptures as that may give you a different perspective. Of course you can always let us know about a book that has influenced you, but we’re always hoping that the influence of any good book is second to the influence of the Bible.
Blessings, Samantha.”

I’m really set on Rome Sweet Home as the book I’d like them to read. I think that would be a good pick. How about you all. What do you say? I say they should read it before I get into any further discussion with them.

I’ll definately give the book “When only one converts a read.” I’m currently out at the moment and preoccupied so I’ll reply again when I have the chance. Thank you all for your replies. I’m be back on later to address people who replied to me in this thread. I’m really thankful for the love, support and replies you have all shown me. Thank you. Thank you for your prayers.
 
I second the recommendation for the book When Only One Converts.

I am a revert to Catholicism and when I returned to the Church I had been married to my agnostic husband for three years. Turned out he hated Catholics and Christians in general and six years later we divorced.

I will pray for you and your wife.

As other posters have said your current church friends have no interest in learning about Catholicism. They merely want to engage you in conversation so they can refute everything you say about the Catholic Church. They are trying to put on the defensive to create doubt in your mind.
 
“Hi Cyril, If you remember correctly, at that time you were wanting to join the Catholic Church which we could see was going to have terrible consequences for your already shaky marriage. That is the reason we got “hot under the collar”. As now you are thinking of your marriage first, there should be no problem.”

What does this mean? Does it mean you told them you weren’t going to convert because you didn’t want your wife to divorce you? As I said earlier, if you think that the RCC has the fullness of truth, stop playing at being a Protestant. If you think your wife is going to divorce you for your conversion, visit a lawyer and get your ducks in a row before doing RCIA or whatever. (Note that even if she thinks that Catholics are not Christians, this would NOT be Biblical grounds for divorcing you–see 1 Corinthians 7:13.)

Also, it is weird that someone is pestering you about not taking Communion. I’ve never been to a church where someone’s decision to forego Communion was a matter for public discussion. Anyway, why are you worried about what these people think? You are never, never, never going to please people who believe that your becoming Catholic is tantamount to apostasy.

Slightly OT: My dear (Protestant) friend’s brother married a Catholic girl, and his mother told him that they really should try to stick to one practice and faith for the sake of family unity. My friend’s brother took her advice–and converted to Catholicism. His mother wasn’t best pleased, but she got over it and has pictures of her grandchildren at their baptism, First Communion, and so on. Heh, heh.
 
As much as I really like the idea of the book When Only One Converts, I really would like
to throw in Scott Hahn’s conversion testimony story which I really relate to and let him do a lot of the heavy lifting before I enter into any sort of discussion on the Eucharist with Samantha and other pastors at my church…

Is it wrong of me to want to employ stratagem and pray the Lord raises up people in my church to join me in my journey to the Catholic Church? I honesly don’t want to do it alone and wish my entire church converted so I wouldn’t have to leave…
 
Scott Hahn went through similar with his wife Kimberly I believe, if you can find some material of Scott Hahn on that I believe it may be able to help.
God Bless You
Thank you for reading
Josh
Thank you for the blessings. I’ve been pondering about presenting this book to Samantha as a way to not only explain what I’m going through to them but to also break down any misconceptions they have about the Catholic Church, or at least help lead them to it.
I would also be tempted to reply, “I agree that we are one, husband and wife are one, but in being one, we are also inseparable, in sickness and in health, until death do us part Mark 10:8-9, so how then could one threaten divorce?”
Mark 10:8-9
8 and the two shall become one.’ So they are no longer two but one. 9 What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.”
I hope this has helped
God Bless You
Thank you for reading
Josh
Thank you for this. I think this will come in handy down the round when I do make the jump. The pastors at my church as far as I know do not advocate divorce and are in no way telling my wife to divorce me. They have been helping to keep us together according to their Protestant beliefs without advocating or suggesting divorce.
Me getting serious about my faith has caused serious division in my relationship as well. Not only there, but with protestant family members as well.

God comes first and now that i have found the Church that Jesus established, there is no turning back no matter who leaves me.

I think of the Lord saying how your enemies may be in your own household because of Him.

I wish there was a visible Catholic support group for people in our situations. I’m sure there are factions here and there, but I mean a nationwide deal with a 1-800 number !

God bless you bro. All we can do is pray for people and for Christian unity as a whole. 🙂
Yes. We must pray for others. Thank you for sharing. I’m comforted to know we are both in the same situation and you understand my trouble.
 
How “they” feel the Holy Spirit doesn’t want you to become Catholic?..yet you are being led by the Holy Spirit to become Catholic…I would listen to the Holy Spirit is saying to you…and not “them”…as for being threatened with divorce…and at the same time being told…(more like threatened)… that you and your wife are one…now that seems hypocritical…it sounds more like your wife is being brainwashed by this Pastor because of his own prejudices…sadly this anti Catholicism is still more common than many might think…one of my brother-in-laws had a somewhat similar problem years ago…his wife attended a small Protestant church with a charismatic Pastor who asked her why her husband was not attending church with her…my brother-in-law had told her he was not interested in that particular church but in no way stopped her from going…her Pastor convinced her that he was a sinner and was not worthy of her…she eventually divorced him because of that reason…and they had been married for many years and had a very happy marriage…until…is there any way you could get your wife away from that church…it sounds like she is being manipulated.
They didn’t threaten me with divorce—my wife did. Yes, anti-catholicism is very common. I never thought in a million year’s I’d want to become catholic because of misconceptions.
I’m sorry to hear what happened about your brother-in-law; That’s tragic. I can’t get her away from that church, so it’s out of the question right now. That church isn’t as terrible as you might think; They’ve done good things to my wife and I and helped us out; And it has helped her adjust to her new life in Canada from her native country. The people there are very nice whenever I’ve gone there and the head pastor shrugged off my desire to convert to the Catholic Church and told me I’m always welcome to come back without any hardship. It’s just Samantha and her husband visited my home one day a few months back and really insisted I not leave the Protestant Church. They’re genuinely concerned for my marriage and as they have told me, they know mixed-faith marriages are not only hard, they are very difficult to work. This wouldn’t be so much of a big deal if my wife would just go along with it to be honest because Samantha and her husband already accept that I’m probably going to join the Catholic Church and are trying to dissuade me. I think the book When Only One Converts is going to be very helpful in getting my point across that my marriage can survive my conversion to the Catholic Church.

It’s become apparent to me that I may be there only link to the truth of the Catholic Faith. They have a lot of misconceptions and as I try to convert, they’ll be able to get exposed to Catholic appologetics they’d normally not be exposed to due to biases. So, I don’t expect them to convert, but it would be wonderful if they joined me in my journey to the Catholic Church so I don’t have to do this alone, and in doing so, affect my wife 🙂
I would love it if they converted, because they could also explain a lot of catholic teaching to her that I might normally be able to.

Thank you for sharing 🙂
Good advice here already. To this I just add my prayers; I thought our marriage wouldn’t survive my coming home to the Church. My husband certainly hasn’t converted, but is much less hurt and much more open. Our oldest son is discerning the priesthood, our next to the oldest was baptized Catholic, 3 oldest daughters are considering Catholicism strongly. God is faithful.
Thank you for sharing 🙂
Yes, I really like the advice given in this thread. Thank you for adding me to your prayers. That’s wonderful your daughters are considering Catholicism strongly.
You must follow your own conscience. If I did what I was told I’d still be agnostic.
Yes, you are 100% right.
 
Hello and first of all, I’ll pray for you and your family. Also, I agree with the others who are saying that it sounds like your wife is being manipulated.

I am young and have never been married, but, when I have read your threads on this issue, several ideas for arguments came to mind and I don’t think someone has posted them on any of your threads. So, here they are, for wha it’s worth.
  1. While I have never encountered rabidly anti-Catholic protestants before, from what I’ve read on CAF, they seem to usually have the same morals with the exception of contraception as Catholics, although, with different reasoning. Since your wife does not like the idea of a mixed marriage, I would argue that a mixed marriage is feasible if you two have the same morals. I mean, it is not like you two will have to keep undermining each other to teach your son what is right and wrong. It is not like a marriage between a pro-life and a pro-choice person in which the pro-choice parent might take their kid to have an abortion against the will of the other parent.
  2. Also, does your wife and her pastors realize that divorce over this issue could sour your son off from Christianity? If religious differences broke the family apart, he may not want anything ever to do with religion.
  3. On a similar note from 2, say you decide not to convert. Even a small child can tell whether a parent is convinced at church or just going through the motions. There is no way that he is not going to find out that your wife and her church has been holding you a religious hostage. Imagine what he would think of his mother and his childhood church when he does see that? Even if he does not leave Christianity all together, he would likely leave her church.
Anyway, I do not know much and sorry if this was unhelpful. These were just the things that immediatley jumped out at me. Anyway, good luck on your journey. You can always come to CAF for support.
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Thank you so much for your post. I really appreciate it. I don’t feel Samantha and her husband are out to manipulate my wife to divide us. They made it clear they want to keep us together in the Lord, but of course, they are concerned that Catholicism and Protestantism could divide us, and they have some misconceptions themselves. With the support of my spiritual father, I’ve been planting healthy seeds among people in my church and with them so lay the ground work for my eventual crossing of the Tiber. It’s better this way than if I do it and it’s unexpected. A lot of people in my church know I am seeking the truth, so when I make the jump, I hope it won’t come as a surprise to people and they’ll respect it. I learned last night that one of my church friend’s didn’t know why one of the staff left a few months ago (I did). It was over the issue of women preaching in the church; For me, I’ve been use to woman preachers all my life, but his courage to stand up in front of our church and explain that he was stepping over differences gave me the courage I needed to pursue the Catholic faith and head in this direction. If he did it, I could. I love my current church very much and the people in it.

I just want to say thank you for your post. I’ll keep it in mind. Thank you for sharing.
Lynn Nordhagen’s book, When Only One Converts, might be of some use. Inexpensive, used copies are available at www.amazon.com.
Thank you so much for this book. This is what I need actually. My brother made a suggestion to me earlier that I should find testimonies of people who are in my situation where their marriages survived.
I second the recommendation for the book When Only One Converts.

I am a revert to Catholicism and when I returned to the Church I had been married to my agnostic husband for three years. Turned out he hated Catholics and Christians in general and six years later we divorced.

I will pray for you and your wife.

As other posters have said your current church friends have no interest in learning about Catholicism. They merely want to engage you in conversation so they can refute everything you say about the Catholic Church. They are trying to put on the defensive to create doubt in your mind.
Actually, There are quite a few christians in there that are babes in Christ who don’t know a lot. They are genuinly seeking Christ and are seekers. The other day I looked back on the testimony books that we have at home and re-read some of the testimonies people I know wrote. A lot of people I meet are seeking and are just happy enough to have found Jesus in their lives again and are thirsting for the truth. It’s just I feel quite a lot of people also have misconceptions about the Catholic Church at the same time. There was a christian I know who thought catholics bow down to idols. I showed them a tract to clear up that misconception and they didn’t say anything to refute it.
 
What does this mean? Does it mean you told them you weren’t going to convert because you didn’t want your wife to divorce you? As I said earlier, if you think that the RCC has the fullness of truth, stop playing at being a Protestant. If you think your wife is going to divorce you for your conversion, visit a lawyer and get your ducks in a row before doing RCIA or whatever. (Note that even if she thinks that Catholics are not Christians, this would NOT be Biblical grounds for divorcing you–see 1 Corinthians 7:13.)

Also, it is weird that someone is pestering you about not taking Communion. I’ve never been to a church where someone’s decision to forego Communion was a matter for public discussion. Anyway, why are you worried about what these people think? You are never, never, never going to please people who believe that your becoming Catholic is tantamount to apostasy.

Slightly OT: My dear (Protestant) friend’s brother married a Catholic girl, and his mother told him that they really should try to stick to one practice and faith for the sake of family unity. My friend’s brother took her advice–and converted to Catholicism. His mother wasn’t best pleased, but she got over it and has pictures of her grandchildren at their baptism, First Communion, and so on. Heh, heh.
Back in April, Samantha and her husband----two pastors are my church, but not the head pastor and his wife—came over to hear why I wanted to convert to the Catholic Church and try to dissuade me. My wife actually was hoping they’d succeed in dissuading me from pursuing the Catholic Church, but much to her anger and disappointment, I didn’t. I continued to pray catholic prayers, read my catholic bibles, read catholic material, and so on. I did these things discreetly, but she knew. And it caused her stress and anxiety and fear. It’s more complicated than that and not a simple “do as I say or I’ll divorce you.” I truly love my wife very much with an everlasting love, and this problem was the climax of some other things that happened in our lives which I do not wish to mention. It had to do with life changing decisions about our wedding, where we bought our home, and now I was leaving the very church I introduced her to and the community I helped her get established with in Canada. She felt I hadn’t listened to her before several times so she was putting the foot down and wanted me to listen to her as an act of love. And by rejecting her feelings, she felt I was rejecting her and not loving her. It came to a point where she insisted I give up reading from my catholic bibles, praying my catholic prayers, and learning about catholic stuff—in other words, stop this catholic faith now until I had the opportunity to go to RCIA in the Fall. Well, Fall rolls around and she heads off to visit her family in her native country and I’m left all alone. I find out RCIA isn’t happening in my town. So I start picking up where I last left off. I’m not so sure if she’ll divorce me or not. She told me my conversion to the Catholic Church would be too much for her to accept and that would be the breaking point.

If you read some of my earliest posts, I posted in much fear, stress, anxiety, and sorrow. I had no one to talk to and felt no support and came here for support.

The step I took to abstain from Protestant communion is one part of something that is much, much bigger. It’s going to really set things in motion and already has. I’m currently in a discussion with Samantha and just recently sent an e-mail telling her how the Protestant Reformers of then and Protestant preachers(such as John McArthur) are completely divided on the essentials. 40,000+ denominations say they preach Bible alone but can’t agree on what the Bible teaches and the essentials. And I lined up what they said with what the Reformers said and asked them how can I make sense of it all. I called them out for saying infant baptism is not in scripture while telling me they accept all of what John Wesley and Calvin believed and taught—which included infant baptism. It just proves my point that Protestantism is just…confusing, divided, and why I’m moving away from it. Because it comes down to authority, and I feel these people don’t have authority to interpret scripture. Their opinions are fallible. And their divisions and 40,000+ denominations are proof of that.

They disagree with one another because they have no central infallible authority because they claim the Bible is their central infallible authority, yet they can’t agree on what the Bible is talking about.

So, I threw out the question of the Canon of Scripture, and just as Devin recommends in his book, Navigating The Tiber, I gave them action items to check out. I’ll share them with you guys:

st-takla.org/Contact-us.html

ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/DEUTEROS.HTM

And then I’m intending to give them Rome Sweet Home next time I meet them.

Question Of The Canon; Sola Scriptura; Sola Fide. When I leave my church, I want to make it very clear those are three big reasons why I’d be leaving. I don’t belong in the Protestant Church; I belong in Christ’s Church----the Catholic Church.

Thank you everyone. Thank you so much for all the love and support. God bless.

PHEW. That was a lot of writing I did!* :compcoff:
 
This statement:

“You cant’t become Catholic if your wife doesn’t want you to.”

Is a lie, and we all know who the father of lies is. That said, I would heed the advice of your spiritual guide/priest and cancel out the devil’s messengers. Candidates to the Catholic faith are targets of the devil in an all out battle for your soul and will stoop to any means to dissuade you.
Well, I have the more of the quote here if you want to read it:

“You are one! Jesus said when the two come together, you are one! You can’t have half of you doing this and half of you doing another thing. You are one! You have to wait, and pray until big decisions become one! And then you, you can’t move before that. It’s like people who say “I know God has called me to be a missionary to Japan, but my wife doesn’t want me to go.” Well then I’m sorry God hasn’t called you. Until you can claim…well, because God honors marriage. Because you are one! You can’t do something on your own. God cannot call us to do things in our marriage that are different from the other partner. Because we are one! I would say, 'you know Cyril, you say you are still investigating, and then I would say don’t bring it up until you really are fully convinced in your own mind that this is the right way for me. If you raise it up now, that just makes…that just makes another complication in your marriage. That’s another stress.”

Then I said, “Jesus said if we put others, including our wives, above him, then we’re not worthy of him.”

Then they said “You took, you’re quoting it out of context.”

I think I have some protestant reformers they look to for truth who can back me up in my belief that we put Jesus first above wives :cool: but hey, you know what, I think a good story to point out to them would be how John Wesley put God above his wife and it caused him marital troubles. Also, there is the book “When Only one Converts” that has success stories. And then there is the Catholic teaching on the matter, but, I’m trying to use logic here using their own sources to prove my point that this is God’s will for me :cool::cool::cool:
 
Hi Cyril,

I just want to share what happened in my case. The situation is different than yours but the point is about trusting God and taking the leap of faith.

When I married my atheist husband I was a wishy-washy Catholic. It worked because my faith didn’t really intrude into his life. But then a year or so after we got married I got more serious about things, I experienced a deeper conversion. He completely freaked out although nothing radical happened with me. But I guess people sense there is a difference when something like that happens. We had issues for a while, he said some nasty things, we argued a lot. But I decided to trust God, not compromise and go back to a superficial faith life in order to placate him. I read something useful, it really helped me when I felt so alone and wondered abiut the future of our marriage. That we must step out in faith, throw the chips so they fall where they may, and that God will pick them up. I can confidently say that is true. Yes, sometimes we must pay a price for our conversion, but God will help us through it, even if our loved ones abandon us. (Naturally, I don’t want your marriage to fall apart, I’m just saying this as a general observation.)

Have faith, go forward boldly but with much kindness and love towards your wife. I think it will be fine. My own husband does not identify as an atheist anymore and is taking slow steps towards the church. Miracles do happen. Best of luck and be assured of my prayers.
 
Hi Cyril,

I just want to share what happened in my case. The situation is different than yours but the point is about trusting God and taking the leap of faith.

When I married my atheist husband I was a wishy-washy Catholic. It worked because my faith didn’t really intrude into his life. But then a year or so after we got married I got more serious about things, I experienced a deeper conversion. He completely freaked out although nothing radical happened with me. But I guess people sense there is a difference when something like that happens. We had issues for a while, he said some nasty things, we argued a lot. But I decided to trust God, not compromise and go back to a superficial faith life in order to placate him. I read something useful, it really helped me when I felt so alone and wondered abiut the future of our marriage. That we must step out in faith, throw the chips so they fall where they may, and that God will pick them up. I can confidently say that is true. Yes, sometimes we must pay a price for our conversion, but God will help us through it, even if our loved ones abandon us. (Naturally, I don’t want your marriage to fall apart, I’m just saying this as a general observation.)

Have faith, go forward boldly but with much kindness and love towards your wife. I think it will be fine. My own husband does not identify as an atheist anymore and is taking slow steps towards the church. Miracles do happen. Best of luck and be assured of my prayers.
Thank you for sharing. I’m curious about how Eucharistic Adoration played a role during your difficult situation?
 
Thank you for sharing. I’m curious about how Eucharistic Adoration played a role during your difficult situation?
Tremendous. I started going regularly, every week. There was so much peace, I really felt His presence in my life. It also encouraged me to hand over everything and trust Him. I suddenly found myself wanting to do God’s will and not seek excuses, and it gave me a lot of joy.

I also offered all the emotional pain for the grace of conversion of my husband, and I took all his lashing out with as much grace as I could. I believe this contributed as well.
 
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Thank you so much for your post. I really appreciate it. I don’t feel Samantha and her husband are out to manipulate my wife to divide us. They made it clear they want to keep us together in the Lord, but of course, they are concerned that Catholicism and Protestantism could divide us, and they have some misconceptions themselves. With the support of my spiritual father, I’ve been planting healthy seeds among people in my church and with them so lay the ground work for my eventual crossing of the Tiber. It’s better this way than if I do it and it’s unexpected.
I just wanted to make an observation on what you said here. I want to hone in on this statement…
“but of course, they are concerned that Catholicism and Protestantism could divide us, and they have some misconceptions themselves.”
I think to throw a couple of books at them and say here read this won’t be fruitful. If they are truly concerned I would put the ball in there court. Ask them what teachings do they feel would divide us? You point out that they have some misconceptions maybe honing in on the misconceptions, that they bring up, would be the best starting point. Maybe approaching it as a student would be best. Let it be known that you are only trying to find the truth and you are willing to discuss what you find with them to get the Protestant point of view on the topic. Giving them the books is too much information and I fear will either be thrown in the corner or fluffed off as the author is taking it out of context. You need to only discuss one topic at a time to get to the heart of that topic. The books tend to be an overview of a lot of topics and when discussing the books with an anti-catholic they tend to jump from topic to topic in an effort of keeping you from getting to the point. Remember when push comes to shove being told you are taking it out of context is not a good answer unless you can prove what the context is. On a final note, as a student, hone in on verses that tend to be contradictions and ask them how you should interpret said verse in light of how they interpret the verse they say you are misinterpreting. All, in all do not approach this as having to point out to them that you are right and they are wrong. I thing coming off as the humble student trying to get to the heart of the truth, especially on verses that appear to contradict themselves, will be much more productive.

God Bless
 
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"Hi Cyril, If you remember correctly, at that time you were wanting to join the Catholic Church which we could see was going to have terrible consequences for your already shaky marriage. That is the reason we got “hot under the collar”. As now you are thinking of your marriage first, there should be no problem.
It sounds to me like as soon as they realize you’re still determined to convert there will be a problem and they’ll be getting hot under the collar again. I hope I’m mistaken but I would suggest you be prepared.
 
Tremendous. I started going regularly, every week. There was so much peace, I really felt His presence in my life. It also encouraged me to hand over everything and trust Him. I suddenly found myself wanting to do God’s will and not seek excuses, and it gave me a lot of joy.

I also offered all the emotional pain for the grace of conversion of my husband, and I took all his lashing out with as much grace as I could. I believe this contributed as well.
Thank you for sharing
I just wanted to make an observation on what you said here. I want to hone in on this statement…
I think to throw a couple of books at them and say here read this won’t be fruitful. If they are truly concerned I would put the ball in there court. Ask them what teachings do they feel would divide us? You point out that they have some misconceptions maybe honing in on the misconceptions, that they bring up, would be the best starting point. Maybe approaching it as a student would be best. Let it be known that you are only trying to find the truth and you are willing to discuss what you find with them to get the Protestant point of view on the topic. Giving them the books is too much information and I fear will either be thrown in the corner or fluffed off as the author is taking it out of context. You need to only discuss one topic at a time to get to the heart of that topic. The books tend to be an overview of a lot of topics and when discussing the books with an anti-catholic they tend to jump from topic to topic in an effort of keeping you from getting to the point. Remember when push comes to shove being told you are taking it out of context is not a good answer unless you can prove what the context is. On a final note, as a student, hone in on verses that tend to be contradictions and ask them how you should interpret said verse in light of how they interpret the verse they say you are misinterpreting. All, in all do not approach this as having to point out to them that you are right and they are wrong. I thing coming off as the humble student trying to get to the heart of the truth, especially on verses that appear to contradict themselves, will be much more productive.

God Bless
Yes, coming off as a student would be good. It crossed my mind they might not read Rome Sweet Home and I may have to do deal with their misconceptions first, but I was hoping to kill two birds with one stone—Rome Sweet Home. I know Samantha’s husband, John, has a HUGE problem with papal infallibility and indulgances. Other than that, he talks fondly of the Catholic Church and even mentioned a quote from the Didache once to me much to my surprise. I asked him where he got the idea that babies are sprinkled and he said The Didache. He has gripes with the Catholic Church due to perceived injustices from what I have heard. Probing a little deeper may be a good idea, and I think I should probably inquire when I am one-on-one with them individually and not in a confrontational discussion, like the time when they came home. I can really relate to his feeling because I once felt the same things he did about the Catholic Church. I think my breaking point was when I read Fox’s Book Of Martyrs and read the story of Martin Luther for the first time. It really tipped the balance for me towards Protestantism. Back then, I have no access to Catholic Answers or anything like this. My sources were christianforums.com and talking to catholics there, or perhaps Carm or Gotquestions.com
I had a real sense of distrust towards catholics just like he does. I felt their doctrine was wrong even if they gave me an excuse. It took another protestant for me to start changing my perceptions about some things protestants held dear, such as Sola Scriptura. I have to talk to them as one couple, but I know I can reach them a bit differently. For John, I need to focus more on papal infallibility and indulgances and clear up those misconceptions. I haven’t touched base on that yet, but soon. Eventually. And maybe you are right, I should clear it up before I hand them the book by presenting what I have found in my research into Protestantism and Catholicism as a student. I know he said he sided with John Wesley and everything he said, which includes Baptismal Regeneration and Infant Baptism. I know he doesn’t like to get into differences in theology and interpretations of Scripture because of the constant fighting between Protestants that has been going on for hundreds of years. He certainly tries to avoid the Calvin-Arminian debuckle because of the fighting between both factions. He certainly doesn’t like how Calvinists persecuted other christians. I know of some instances where he misquoted the Bible to make a point, for example on the topic of praying to saints. It was sincere and just happened to be bad recollection of scripture on his part, probably due to protestant biases and emotion. You know, the same thing is done about other parts of scripture too by Protestants. I’m planning to press in on that and appeal to him that is one reason why I’m moving away from Protestantism. And I made my point about that in my latest e-mail. Then I can quote that one quote I keep hearing where people hate what they perceive the Catholic Church to be, but not what it actually is. He kept asking me why and what reason I wanted to leave the Protestant Church and why I felt Catholic is better back in April and I couldn’t exactly tell him, but now I’m much more prepared. I’m ready and I don’t expect him to join me, but I would love it and be thankful if the truth could prevail in my relationship with him about the Catholic Church.
 
I know Samantha’s husband, John, has a HUGE problem with papal infallibility and indulgances.
Just my opinion but these are 2 topics at opposite ends of the spectrum. I would personally talk with him about papal infallibility and get this squared away before even attempting indulgences. One thing I found out is that many people have the misconception that everything the Pope says is infallible and we Catholics have to follow him like mindless drones. In all actuality, his infallibility only occurs when he is speaking from the Chair of Peter. His infallible teachings on faith and morals would never be contradictory to the Bible. The only time any teaching even gets remotely contradictory is when a group of Protestants interpret scripture differently. Which it seems he freely admits and dislikes.

As for indulgences (I am still trying to fully understand this myself) I was just listening to this CAL last night.

catholic.com/radio/shows/scriptural-apologetics-41674

A caller asked how to explain indulgences to a Protestant using only the New Testament. John showed it can be done, but he pointed out that quite a bit about indulgences comes from the Deuterocanon, which Protestants don’t accept. So until you get on solid footing about the Pope, I don’t think you will get anywhere with indulgences. Either way I would listen to what John has to say.
He has gripes with the Catholic Church due to perceived injustices from what I have heard.
I’m guessing you are referring to the molestation scandals? There is no way or reason to defend these, and I never would. However, I like to point out that how does the fact that a Catholic, even a Priest, commits a sin prove the Catholic Church wrong in her teachings? Every church in the world has it’s fair share of sinners. We are all sinners, that is why the Church is a hospital for sinners and not a museum for saints.
I know he doesn’t like to get into differences in theology and interpretations of Scripture because of the constant fighting between Protestants that has been going on for hundreds of years. He certainly tries to avoid the Calvin-Arminian debuckle because of the fighting between both factions. He certainly doesn’t like how Calvinists persecuted other christians. I know of some instances where he misquoted the Bible to make a point, for example on the topic of praying to saints. It was sincere and just happened to be bad recollection of scripture on his part, probably due to protestant biases and emotion. You know, the same thing is done about other parts of scripture too by Protestants. I’m planning to press in on that and appeal to him that is one reason why I’m moving away from Protestantism. And I made my point about that in my latest e-mail.
Seeing that he is aware of the differences and doesn’t just ignore them, I would simple ask him why he thinks there is so many differences? This is a really good lead in to the Pope. I would ask him doesn’t he think Jesus would have left someone in charge here on earth? For me it is all about Authority. I am a business man, if someone isn’t left in charge then no one is, which leads to chaos. I like how Tim Staples puts it. Everyone believes in the Pope. Either he is sitting in the Chair of Peter in Rome or he is you sitting in your chair in the living room. The Bible can’t be infallible, because it is a book, only people can be infallible. The Bible is inerrant. The Bible only remains inerrant until we start to read. Unless an infallible teacher conveys these inerrant words to us, the Bible becomes full of errors and contradiction. Because we can make it say whatever we want it to say.
He kept asking me why and what reason I wanted to leave the Protestant Church and why I felt Catholic is better back in April and I couldn’t exactly tell him, but now I’m much more prepared. I’m ready and I don’t expect him to join me, but I would love it and be thankful if the truth could prevail in my relationship with him about the Catholic Church.
Just make sure to check your pride at the door. Trying to prove you are right and he is wrong will shut him down. Now working through the scripture with him might open his eyes, but even if not it should strengthen your faith.
 
I don’t mean this in a rude way, but I think you should focus on becoming Catholic and becoming stronger in the faith, rather than debating protestant pastors. You don’t need to convince them before you convert.

And holding someone hostage over their denomination is extreme, but it sounds like there are other issues going on in the background, so I don’t want to go into that.
 
I do not see why you have to ‘defend’ why you don’t take their communion. If asked, throw the question back at them. Why do you take communion? Here is a lesson from the gospel of John about the true bread from heaven. Towards the end, you see that some disciples turned away and walked no more with Jesus, because He said He was the bread of heaven and they had to eat His flesh.
You might find the following sequence of newsletters helpful:

biblechristiansociety.com/newsletter/166-apologetics-for-the-masses-issue-170
biblechristiansociety.com/newsletter/221-apologetics-for-the-masses-issue-171
biblechristiansociety.com/newsletter/223-apologetics-for-the-masses-issue-172
biblechristiansociety.com/newsletter/225-apologetics-for-the-masses-issue-173
 
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