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exoflare
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I know, it was a joke. Muslims use that line of reasoning all the time though… without even seeming to know what the Crusades really were.
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Montalban
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The problem being that ‘radical’ Islam *is *Islam
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Montalban
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These things are cyclical. I recall someone pointing out that they couldn’t wait for a “Monty Python’s Life of Muhammed” and it still hasn’t happened.
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Montalban
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I look at it like this.
In 1940 the Germans bombed London. The British bombed Germany. They are, superficially the same. But they are not because one was offensive and the other defensive. One was an act by a society wrapped in an ideology that could not tolerate others. The other was an act of hesitant defence by a democracy.
The Crusades were not an ‘action’ but a reaction to Moslem aggression. They were not the beginning of the war. They certainly hardened the minds of Christians to ideals of toleration, but Christianity’s core values of love have always won through.
However this does not ‘excuse’ evils done by Christians. But the fact that we can sit here having this kind of conversation gives me the peace of mind that we live in a different society than if Islam dominated.
Christianity is essentially (fundamentally) a better faith than Islam in its treatment of others
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RobedWithLight
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I agree. Let us see just how “tolerant” Islam truly is.
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Montalban
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Some of the ‘examples’ here are like if person “X” loots, rapes, murders and pillages, and then person “Y” actually fights back and kills “X” then “X” = “Y”
They’re not the same. Killing someone for no reason would be quite different than defending onself and killing someone in that act.
And Islam attacked Christianity. It’s avowed aim is to destroy Christianity and all non-Moslem religion.
Even where non-Moslem groups have lived under Islamic rule, it’s simply because Islam believed that they were on the way out, and would die of natural causes. It’s a great tribute to these communities that they’ve survived so long.
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JoeyWarren
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Yes it does indeed.
But there are written words that put blame on the whole:
The New Testament teaches Love and Mercy: so the individual actions of individuals CANNOT be blamed on the church.
The Constitution, Amendements, Pledge of Allegience teaches nearly the same thing as the New Testament so the individual actions of individvuals CANNOT be blamed on the government.
The Koran on the other hand does not teach much of this. It actually teaches to kill those that will not convert more or less so the individual actions of individual CAN be blamed on the Nation of Islam.
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JoeyWarren
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Agree whole-heartily. If Islam dominated the USA, this forum’s server would not be based homed in the USA. It would be homed somewhere else, plus the Islam would put routing rules on all routers in the USA to prevent Americans from accessing fourms like this.
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KarenNC
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If neither can be blamed when an individual acts in an evil way, then can either accept praise or credit when an individual acts in a laudatory way or is it only to the credit of the individual?
I’m curious in what way you see the Constitution, Amendments and Pledge of Allegiance teaching the same thing as the New Testament?
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KarenNC
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Just for clarity’s sake, the Nation of Islam is a separate group, not synonymous with Islam as a whole, based in the US among African Americans and there are a number of Muslim groups who don’t see it as “real Islam” from my understanding.
religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/Nofislam.html scroll down particularly to “beliefs and practices.”
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JoeyWarren
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OK just change the “Nation of Islam” to the “Religion based on the Koran(Qur’an)”. Better? Stop the god forsaken nit picking.
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Kadaveri
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Well considering they don’t believe in the Prophet Muhammad, believe ‘Allah’ was a black nationalist born in the 19th Century and that only black people are true humans all other races are devils created by a crazy scientist called Yacub 6,000 years ago, I think we can discard them from a “Religion based on the Qur’an” label.
Karen isn’t nitpicking, because the fact of the matter is these people are **NOT **Muslims by any reasonable definition. The only thing they’ve got to do with Islam is that they’ve got the word ‘Islam’ in their name.
Karen isn’t nitpicking, because the fact of the matter is these people are **NOT **Muslims by any reasonable definition. The only thing they’ve got to do with Islam is that they’ve got the word ‘Islam’ in their name.
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KarenNC
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Would it be nitpicking to note that the Catholic Church and the Mormons are not synonymous, were someone to imply such?
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Booklover
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Check out this link:going and murdering because Muslims say something bad about Jesus. Some Muslims insult Jesus all the time! But wait…if a catholic insults Muhammed, God forbid, that is terribly wrong. In most cases it deserves capital punishment! You don’t see catholics killing people because they offended Jesus. But you see Muslims killing people because they offend Muhammed. I read a news paper story where a big naked Jesus statue maid out of dog turds was put in a museum. Nobody cared, infact who hears about it? But if the same thing was made about Muhammed…the world would go crazy!!
tfp.org/what_we_do/index/index.html
They’ve organized many protests against the sort of thing you mention above. As a member, I’ve sent many emails and postcards protesting many blasphemies such as those.
Just recently they protested the showing of the Vxxxxx Monologues in several Catholic universities which have since cancelled the program.
Here’s another link from their Crusade Magazine online on their Da Vinci Code protests. I love the magazine!
tfp.org/crusade/crusade_mag_vol_82.pdf
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Montalban
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The do believe in Muhammed as a prophet, both the Muhammed you do, and their founder Wallace Fard Muhammad, you’re simply confusing the two.
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guanophore
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Because I don’t believe that. Overall, I believe that Christendom is more charitble and tolerant. however if that is true, it is only by the grace of God,and there, but for the grace of God, we would be also, so it is not appropriate to be arrogant about it. I am also aware of the Judeo Christian history (and just finished a unit on the Crusades) where bloodbaths of Muslims occured in the name of Christ. I do not believe this was Christ’s intention for the use of His cross (all the soldiers wore it, and carried it). It is shameful. And finally, I don’t think two wrongs make a right, and it would not be appropriate for me to create and distribute provocative literature to “prove” my point. I am content to amicably agree to disagree with you, if you wish!
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guanophore
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:clapping: AMEN!! Preach it brother.
A better question to ask might be why Christians do not live by Jesus’ teachings! Omigosh, we’ve got a long, long way to travel before we can start expecting others to live up to the ideals we proclaim.
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