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exoflare said:
How much would we save just by repealing the really obvious waste like Obamacare and whatever portion still hasn’t been spent of that earlier Porkulus bill?
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Repealing the health care law would add ~140 billion to the deficit over 10 years.
 
edwest2 said:
Allow private companies to compete with the US Postal System for mail delivery.
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You’re talking about deliveries into very remote places, which is very costly, but doable.

But if you read up on your U.S. Constitution, the Post Office is mentioned.
 
exoflare said:
HOW in-then-thi-tive! :rolleyes: Now let’s all sit back and watch 2nd Thessalonians get flamed for its lack of compassion and “social justice”…
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Was thinking the same thing during the readings at mass yesterday.
Brothers and sisters:
You know how one must imitate us.
For we did not act in a disorderly way among you,
nor did we eat food received free from anyone.
On the contrary, in toil and drudgery, night and day
we worked, so as not to burden any of you.
Not that we do not have the right.
Rather, we wanted to present ourselves as a model for you,
so that you might imitate us.
In fact, when we were with you,
we instructed you that if anyone was unwilling to work,
neither should that one eat.
We hear that some are conducting themselves among you in a
disorderly way,
by not keeping busy but minding the business of others.
Such people we instruct and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to work quietly
and to eat their own food.
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Brothers and sisters:
You know how one must imitate us.
For we did not act in a disorderly way among you,
nor did we eat food received free from anyone.
On the contrary, in toil and drudgery, night and day
we worked, so as not to burden any of you.
Not that we do not have the right.
Rather, we wanted to present ourselves as a model for you,
so that you might imitate us.
In fact, when we were with you,
we instructed you that if anyone was unwilling to work,
neither should that one eat.
We hear that some are conducting themselves among you in a
disorderly way,
by not keeping busy but minding the business of others.
Such people we instruct and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to work quietly
and to eat their own food.
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I pointed that out to my wife and told her I thought it might be the only section of the bible my father ever read and spent much of his life impressing it upon his children.
 
gamewell45 said:
What happens to those unfortunate souls who either choose not to or cannot afford medical insurance and they drop over in the street of a heart attack, stroke or other serious condition and get taken to the hospital?? Who has to pay? What if the person is indigent? Who gets stuck with the bill?
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I worked in a hospital for almost 10 years. The programs in place right now require hospitals to take people who fall over in the street and yes, if they can’t pay, taxpayers pay.

Those making a million dollars or more per year can get their own insurance.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
I worked in a hospital for almost 10 years. The programs in place right now require hospitals to take people who fall over in the street and yes, if they can’t pay, taxpayers pay.

Those making a million dollars or more per year can get their own insurance.

Peace,
Ed
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So, either way the taxpayers have to pay.
 
gamewell45 said:
Ok, so whats your solution to the problem?
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I think there are many common sense changes that can be made. I’m sure you’ve heard them all and still support a public option, so I’ll save myself the trouble.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
No, just the plain old Catholic notion of subsidiarity. Who is best able to provide for their health expenses in old age? The individual and their family. Once you go beyond that you create huge problems.
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Voice of common sense, reason, and in line with plain old Catholic principles.
 
I’ve got a few:

Close the Mexican border.

Do away with no-fault divorce, which places many men in tax brackets effectively greater than 50% thanks to alimony. In fact, do away with the legal instiution of marriage.

Institute a flat income tax.

Eliminate 75% of the federal workforce. The DEA. Dept of Education, and IRS can be done away with.
 
gamewell45 said:
Ok, so whats your solution to the problem?
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My solution would be to practice what you preach and lead through example. If caring for the sick and the infirm is truly what you believe in, further restrain yourself from the acquisition of material goods and increase your charity whether it be time or money.

Quit blaming others for not living up to your expectations of generousity or seeing yourself as too poor to help. Start up a private fund. But don’t you dare be charitible with my wallet. I will see fit to whom I will give to. I respect your earnings to be spent as how you deem worthy (provided they are not used to indulge in immorality), I only ask you to do the same in return.
 
Andrew1983 said:
My solution would be to practice what you preach and lead through example. If caring for the sick and the infirm is truly what you believe in, further restrain yourself from the acquisition of material goods and increase your charity whether it be time or money.

Quit blaming others for not living up to your expectations of generousity or seeing yourself as too poor to help. Start up a private fund. But don’t you dare be charitible with my wallet. I will see fit to whom I will give to. I respect your earnings to be spent as how you deem worthy (provided they are not used to indulge in immorality), I only ask you to do the same in return.
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As well meaning as it appears, if a practice such as that were adopted, I fear many people would needlessly die because we come from a society where many people are not charitable IMHO.
 
The NYT mainly allows leftist ideas for balancing the budget.

No option to close the Dept of Education (that’s a state & local function, subsidiarity!!)

No option to close down other unnecessary offices and programs.

Not all options are on the table.
 
The Department of Energy has been a massive black hole of waste with nothing to show for the money. 28.4 BILLION pounded down the rat holes this year alone.
 
gamewell45 said:
As well meaning as it appears, if a practice such as that were adopted, I fear many people would needlessly die because we come from a society where many people are not charitable IMHO.
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I’m not sure if this is an overgeneralization, based off of which part of the country you live in. I don’t think people would needlessly die. I would think that the less wide the safety net is, people would have a better understanding of the risks by seeing the results and take better care of themselves.

I do realize that not every single case is a matter of being careless or irresponsible, but quite frankly local problems should be solved at the local level. We really don’t need massive centralization of power consolidated into the federal government.

And as far living in a society where many are not charitable, I pose to you this question: Why do you think that might be? Is everyone being selfish? I would certainly contend that will always be a factor, so then I pose the follow-up: if it is indeed selfishness, then by what percentage? 5%, 10%, 20%, 50%?

Could it be that you’re not taking into account how strapped the taxpayer might be due to rising costs and the coming inflation guaranteeing that they too become paupers? What about those who abuse the system? What about the fact that federal government has proven itself to be incapable of running anything in an efficient let alone competent manner or administering tasks that fall under its jurisdiction such as border security?

This may be a hard lesson to learn, but no one is entitled to another’s fruits and people need to start re-adapting that mindset if we are to pull ourselves out of this cultural sewer of envy. If you receive assistance from someone, be grateful to have received anything at all. But the bottom line is to not allow oneself to become dependent on the good graces of another to the point of your livelihood depends on them financially.
 
Transition Social Security to the Galveston Plan or a mix of Galveston/Chilean.

Do it in a sliding scale/optional way so that current Social Security recipients are not penalized.

Galveston Plan:

ncpa.org/pub/ba514

Chilean plans:

search.ncpa.org/sitesearch/search.php?query=Chile&search=1&submit=search

Replace ObamaCare with the Indiana Plan [based on the HSA method], which is very popular and economical and gives the individual ownership and control of their health care. Allow free competition across interstate lines without mandates for insurance with favorable tax treatment at least comparable to that which is currently applied to employers. Allow hospitals and doctors to sell insurance which would be fully portable if people move or change jobs. Indigent cases can be handled through a system of vetted tax credits administered by hospitals.
 
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Transition Social Security to the Galveston Plan or a mix of Galveston/Chilean.

Do it in a sliding scale/optional way so that current Social Security recipients are not penalized.

Galveston Plan:

ncpa.org/pub/ba514

Chilean plans:

search.ncpa.org/sitesearch/search.php?query=Chile&search=1&submit=search

Replace ObamaCare with the Indiana Plan [based on the HSA method], which is very popular and economical and gives the individual ownership and control of their health care. Allow free competition across interstate lines without mandates for insurance with favorable tax treatment at least comparable to that which is currently applied to employers. Allow hospitals and doctors to sell insurance which would be fully portable if people move or change jobs. Indigent cases can be handled through a system of vetted tax credits administered by hospitals.

Under President Jimmy Carter, the interstate airline, railroad and trucking industries were deregulated. The Civil Aeronautics Board and the Interstate Commerce Commission were abolished in one stroke. As a result, those industries boomed and grew; fares plunged and made transportation much more affordable. Similarly deregulate energy and education; abolish the Federal agencies that regulate those industries. Safety can be retained [as the FAA and NTSB have been retained], although there are non-government models such as UL and Hartford Safety that can be used.

Open up competition in energy and education to encourage more creative ways of providing those services.

The Pentagon building was needed when the U.S. military was a force of ten million. The current U.S. military is about one million; so shut down 90% of the Pentagon building; delete 90% of the general officers and the offices set up to keep them busy. Encourage weapons system procurement by means of competitive field trials. For YEARS, the Pentagon has been dilatory in selecting a new Air Force refueling tanker. Italy and Japan have funded Boeing’s development of a U.S. replacement tanker which is now in service with those countries. The Airbus tanker is in service with Australia and other countries. Let the Pentagon buy ten of each and operate them in competition to see which one to buy … before the wings fall off the 60-year-old tankers we now use. This is a national scandal.

As a national security policy, encourage energy production in abundance so as to drive the free market price of oil down to $10 per barrel. With ten dollar oil, Iran and Saudi Arabia would be unable to continue to fund terrorism and that threat would simply dry up for lack of money.
 
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