You know there's a problem with the Post Vatican II Church when

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Wow, One Bread One Body seems to be the popular Communion song choice apparently!

For better or worse, someone should assemble a graph representing the number of churches across the world that utilise this song on Sunday on a regular basis - the results may not surprise us! šŸ˜‰
 
=Domnall;6761579]There is a protestant, Episcopal church that holds true to the sacred traditions better than most Catholics do. Heck, they even pray the rosary at this protestant church, have High and Low Mass and believe in the real presences. They even have their altar ad orientum. Come on everyone! If they can do it so can we!
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St. Stevenā€™s Church-Providence RI(I found out about this place because I dance there sometimes.)
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sstephens.org/index.html
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Take an ad out in their Bulltin and ask them to become Catholics and show us how itā€™s supposed to be done:D
 
BernadetteM said:
I was a member of TEC and knew priests who didnā€™t believe in the Resurrection.

Furthermore my nieceā€™s father-in-law was the Bishop of a very large diocese and stated he didnā€™t believe in it either.

Why do you think so many members of TEC are leaving? It is not only just because they have ordained women or the homosexual issues, itā€™s the whole belief system. You can believe what ever you want. Of course there are still some parishes that are more orthodox, but in general the church, I am not speaking of the members, but of priests and Bishops who have departed from the Gospel as it has always been understood.

I suggest you go to VirtueOnline, it is an orthodox Anglican website with many articles going back years on some of the new ideas coming from TEC. They print actual stories of what is happening within TEC, not the moderatorā€™s opinions.

Of course I am speaking from personal experience. I have recently met two TEC priests who are leaving. If you are a member of TEC that is fine with me, maybe you belong to a parish where they have kept the same faith, but can you deny that TEC is the same church as it was 30 years ago? You said you are going by your experiences, the same for me, except I can read about it and speak to TEC priests who agree with what I said.

Your are lucky that none of this has touched the parishes you attend. I probably should have used the word many instead of most. The Bishops and priests who feel strongly about what is happening in the church have left and are still leaving. Many are taking their congregations with them and there are many legal fights for the property. I would assume you are aware of all of these problems.

I was a member of TEC most of my life and I surely donā€™t feel anything but grief over what has happened. It has caused much pain for many who felt they must leave their home.

God Bless

Bernadette
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I can understand where youā€™re coming from with that. Though, admittedly, Iā€™m in the Southern United States, so things donā€™t usually tend to get as hairy down here as elsewhere in the country. However, the state of ECUSA is rather sad. For the record, I am not a member of an Episcopal church, but the majority of my undergraduate career was spent in the music ministries at Episcopal churches (as well as one particularly bad broken-off Anglican parish).
 
Biedrik said:
Ugh, I have to hear this one every week. It is a good thing that we only have music on Sundays, otherwise I would go crazy from hearing One Bread One Body every single day of the week.
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Whatā€™s wrong with One Bread One Body? I donā€™t really mind it :o

But I have noticed I really do need to attend a TLM. Too bad I canā€™t for the time being šŸ˜¦
 
DLONex said:
Iā€™d like to see your source(s) cited on the bolded statement please. That has not at all been my experience in numerous Episcopalian churches.
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Iā€™m glad you asked that question, as I was wondering about a few things in that post, also. For instance, this sentence:
ā€œFine the Anglo Catholic parishes do, but if they truely want to be Catholic why arenā€™t they joining the Ordinariate?ā€
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What does that mean? Iā€™m a Catholic, but stillā€¦what is the Ordinariate?
 
Biedrik said:
Ugh, I have to hear this one every week. It is a good thing that we only have music on Sundays, otherwise I would go crazy from hearing One Bread One Body every single day of the week.
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Though Iā€™ve attended the TLM. exclusively for the past (almost) 3 years, I think I could still sing that one in my sleep. The only thing worse was when we ran out of song, before we ran out of Communicants & they then followed OBOB with the ā€œGift of Finest Wheatā€. :crying:
 
When your priest constantly talks about how church should celebrate community and how communion is a celebratory meal. Itā€™s a sacrificeā€¦
 
AndrewF1995 said:
When your priest constantly talks about how church should celebrate community and how communion is a celebratory meal. Itā€™s a sacrificeā€¦
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Donā€™t you just love the kumbaya spirit of Vatican II?!?!?!?šŸ˜ƒ
 
Onegin said:
Wow, One Bread One Body seems to be the popular Communion song choice apparently!

For better or worse, someone should assemble **a graph **representing the number of churches across the world that utilise this song on Sunday on a regular basis - the results may not surprise us! šŸ˜‰
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LOL!šŸ˜› That was funny! Youā€™re probably right.

albertziggy:rolleyes:
 
Onegin said:
Wow, One Bread One Body seems to be the popular Communion song choice apparently!

For better or worse, someone should assemble a graph representing the number of churches across the world that utilise this song on Sunday on a regular basis - the results may not surprise us! šŸ˜‰
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Is this official enough? šŸ˜ƒ

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CradleCath said:
Iā€™m glad you asked that question, as I was wondering about a few things in that post, also. For instance, this sentence:

What does that mean? Iā€™m a Catholic, but stillā€¦what is the Ordinariate?
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You can Google the web under Apostolic Constitution for Anglicans. The Holy Father offered any Anglican/Episcopalian to be allowed to enter the Church under an Ordinariate. Actually 30 years ago my TEC priest and 3 others petitioned Rome to have a Pastoral Provision for Anglican Use Catholic parishes. This means the 9 parishes, some in existance for 28 years use an Anglican liturgy. It was restricted to the US as the Church and the Anglican Communion were having ecumenical meetings and I guess to avoid offending them the Church decided since the priests asking were here in the US it would just be established here. Now there are several groups, the main one is the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) who a few years ago asked for entry into the Church bringing their own patrimony/traditions with them. What the first priests intended is now in the works worldwide and Anglicans and Episcopalians are just waiting for the Ordinarites to be established. There will be an Ordinariate who is over different groups and he will deal directly with the CDF and Rome. The first Anglican Use parishes had to deal with the local Bishops, which was very difficult, just as many donā€™t want the EF/TLM offered in their dioceses they also didnā€™t want the Anglican Use (AU) because they are very traditional and orthodox. The Ordinariate will make decisions about who may be ordained and that will include married priests and where parishes may be erected. Out of courtesy they will confer with the local Bishop, but he wonā€™t have the final say. Although an Ordinary will not be a Bishop, he will be allowed to sit in their conferences and will be given the same respect.

It will take time for this all to take place and grow. Our Lady of the Atonement in Texas (OLA) has a website with a video of the Mass that has been allowed, but in time that will be revised and hopefully more in line with what Anglo Catholics celebrated, it was very close to the EF, except in English. OLA started out with 18 members and now has around 2000, plus a school from kindergarten to high school with 500 students.

What I meant about Anglo Catholics who remain in TEC or the Continuing Anglican groups is that if they truely believe that they are Catholic they should become part of the Ordianariate. It is very complex, as Anglicans have a different mindset and donā€™t like authority, which means they would rather not have a Pope. Although many of their parishes have very Catholic traditions the Church has ruled that their priests are not validly ordained. There are no exceptions to this also, so all priests coming into the Ordinariate will be ordained by a Catholic Bishop to be sure that they have valid orders.

Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions. Also if you are interested view the video at OLA to see the liturgy, it is an hour long and that is with the sermon deleted.

Many Latin Rite Catholics are members of these parishes as it is another choice between the OF and the EF. OLA also has a Latin Mass on Sundays.

God Bless

Bernadette
 
ā€¦when you read on Catholic message boards a question by a 15-yr old on whether she still has to abstain from sex with her boyfriend on Lenten Fridays.
 
Iā€™m one of those shaking booties. ): I canā€™t help it. When I sing praise to God my body moves. Even during the slower songs I sway. I think itā€™s from years of musical training. Haha. I learned to feel the beat with my body instead of internally - and sometimes I get a surge of joy when I sing praises and canā€™t help but move (and no the music isnā€™t overly ā€˜modernā€™. Just a piano and a choir). Oh well!

Funny, I donā€™t notice a lot of these things in Mass (have only been to mass twice) but so far my eyes have been too set on the Father (my eyes remained fixed on Father Joe, the alter or the crucifix when Iā€™m in Mass) to notice those around me. I suppose there are benefits to being new. šŸ™‚
 
I donā€™t think so. I think he meant between Canadians and Americans šŸ˜›
 
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