You love Jesus, You believe He existed, but deny other writings about him

[planten]

Hi wina, this is what i have been asking our Ahmadi friends:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=293837

So far, none of them provided substantial proof.

** For Wina and Cathopologist, the primary sources are the Quran and Hadith, as follows:

1. The Quran is telling that Jesus did not die on the cross. he only appeared to them as dead.
2. The Quran is describing that Jesus was told just before the event of the cross that he will not die on the cross but he will die a normal death.
3. The Quran is also telling us that the Jews could not kill Jesus in any way at all.
4. The Hadith is tellling us clearly that Jesus lived a life of 120 years.
5. The Quran is telling us that Allah gave shelter to Jesus and Mary after the great affliction (trouble and trial on the cross). Allah gave them shelter to a good and pleasant high level place where there were gardens and fountains. It means that Jesus migrated like all other prophets of God, Abraham, jacob, Joseph, Moses and Muhammad.

Put two and two together and you will all find that Jesus moved away from Palestine after he survived the incident of the cross.

Read the book “Jesus in Heavens on earth” and you will all be convinced that Jesus travelled to India with his mother. It is likely that one of his brothers was with him. The mother Mary died in a place called Murrey (high, 8000 feet), a place near Rawalpindi, in Pothohaar, in Pakistan. There is a grave of the mother Mary (called mother Marrow) there.**

 

[ralphinal]

** For Wina and Cathopologist, the primary sources are the Quran and Hadith, as follows:

1. The Quran is telling that Jesus did not die on the cross. he only appeared to them as dead.**

So God is a lier and a deciever.

1. The Quran is describing that Jesus was told just before the event of the cross that he will not die on the cross but he will die a normal death.

Which brothers? Who went with them? You people keep saying that he took folowers/brothers with them, but you cannot name them.

 

[wina]

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4. The Hadith is tellling us clearly that Jesus lived a life of 120 years.

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Planten, to be honest, I can’t buy your words because on other thread if we discussed about hadith then you will tell us not to believe it and now you tell us to believe the hadith???

 

[cathopologist]

So I will not get any answers? Anyway, Cathopologist, I will pray for your health, i didn’t know about it before.

I doubt you will, but i hope i’m wrong. Thank you for your prayers. and God bless you and your family. †‡†

 

[wina]

Hi
You were wrong to think that.
The answer has been given to you; you were not polite enough to see it or read it I think. Then why did you ask for it, to start with? God bless you and Cathologist!

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

Paarsurrey, yes I read it only I don’t read it all because it’s only thesis which there is no proof at all. Someone can make any thesis but people can’t believe it until he can prove it.Please let me know where did Jesus die? where is the tomb? any pictures to prove it? any medical record or anything?

 

[cathopologist]

The Quran is telling that Jesus did not die on the cross. he only appeared to them as dead.

Why should a Christian believe what the Qu’ran has to say on the subject? Would you believe in a ‘holy text’ that arose 600 years after the death of Mohammad and claims Mohammad was a prophet but not a seal of the prophethood? Wait, i guess that question would be irrelevant since Mirza considers himself greater than Mohammad.

The Quran is describing that Jesus was told just before the event of the cross that he will not die on the cross but he will die a normal death.

Who informed Him?

The Quran is also telling us that the Jews could not kill Jesus in any way at all.

What is this obsession with Jews killing the Messiah?

The Hadith is tellling us clearly that Jesus lived a life of 120 years.

The Hadith is applicable to the Muslim, but not to us, Christians. It has no bearing on us. We respect your right to believe in what you believe in, just as we respect what Mormons believe in, but it does not mean we endorse your beliefs.

The Quran is telling us that Allah gave shelter to Jesus and Mary after the great affliction (trouble and trial on the cross). Allah gave them shelter to a good and pleasant high level place where there were gardens and fountains. It means that Jesus migrated like all other prophets of God, Abraham, jacob, Joseph, Moses and Muhammad.

Was the Qu’ran a witness to Jesus’ crucifixion? Did the Qu’ran witness Jesus’ supposed migration? How sure are you that the Qu’ran knew what happened in the past when Mohammad himself misunderstood Christianity?

Put two and two together and you will all find that Jesus moved away from Palestine after he survived the incident of the cross.

You have no problems with “two and two” being one but you have a problem with the Trinity? To answer your question, it still does not prove Jesus “moved away from Palestine”.

Read the book “Jesus in Heavens on earth” and you will all be convinced that Jesus travelled to India with his mother. It is likely that one of his brothers was with him. The mother Mary died in a place called Murrey (high, 8000 feet), a place near Rawalpindi, in Pothohaar, in Pakistan. There is a grave of the mother Mary (called mother Marrow) there.

Sorry, i believe in God and His Truth. I love reading fantasy books and games but all the games and books in the world will never convince me to abandon the Truth for fairies and elves.

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

You believe Jesus existed but dont believe what Paul wrote? Why do you believe Jesus existed? And isnt any reason you give going to be the same logic that should mean you believe Paul too?

I realize that this is directed at paarsurrey, and I’m certainly not going to defend, much less endorse, his views of Paul, but I thought I’d throw my two cents in.

First, your title is a little misleading (though perhaps on account of brevity). There are many writings about Jesus up to, and including, modern ones. Ancient writings include the Gospel of Judas (written by the Gnostics sometime in the 3C AD). It’s perfectly reasonable to question writings about Jesus. I must assume you mean the writings of the Christian canon but there again you have the same problem: what makes the canon special?

Paul was the first Christian theologeon. He was not a follower of Christ before his death and ressurection. Paul had his own encounter with the risin Christ but we know nothing more of where he learned about Jesus. We can only speculate that he spent time with the apostles, learned from them, and formed his theology from them.

Paul has always been the odd man out. While the apostles were ordinary folk, Paul was a learned pharisee and, really, a philosopher. Only the author of John comes close to Paul in this respect (and it is no coincidence that John was the last to be written).

So the question really is this: how reliable is Paul’s theology? Did Paul have information that is not in the NT? Almost certainly. But why didn’t Jesus gather Paul to him while he was teaching? Or why weren’t any of the apostles qualified to create the theology that Paul did?

Jews like to blame Paul for the invention of Christianity, I’m guessing that Muslims share that view. I don’t think this is supported by history, the development of Christian theology was gradual over time as people thought and analyzed what had occured. But certainly Paul was a major influence on it and so it is natural to focus on Paul and wonder about his knowledge and expertise.