You Tube -James Likoudis conversion from EO to RC

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Second reading
From an ancient homily on Holy Saturday
The Lord descends into hell

Something strange is happening—there is a great silence on earth today, a great silence and stillness. The whole earth keeps silence because the King is asleep. The earth trembled and is still because God has fallen asleep in the flesh and he has raised up all who have slept ever since the world began. God has died in the flesh and hell trembles with fear.

He has gone to search for our first parent, as for a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, he has gone to free from sorrow the captives Adam and Eve, he who is both God and the son of Eve. The Lord approached them bearing the cross, the weapon that had won him the victory. At the sight of him Adam, the first man he had created, struck his breast in terror and cried out to everyone: “My Lord be with you all.” Christ answered him: “And with your spirit.” He took him by the hand and raised him up, saying: “Awake, O sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will give you light.”

I am your God, who for your sake have become your son. Out of love for you and for your descendants I now by my own authority command all who are held in bondage to come forth, all who are in darkness to be enlightened, all who are sleeping to arise. I order you, O sleeper, to awake. I did not create you to be held a prisoner in hell. Rise from the dead, for I am the life of the dead. Rise up, work of my hands, you who were created in my image. Rise, let us leave this place, for you are in me and I am in you; together we form only one person and we cannot be separated.

For your sake I, your God, became your son; I, the Lord, took the form of a slave; I, whose home is above the heavens, descended to the earth and beneath the earth. For your sake, for the sake of man, I became like a man without help, free among the dead. For the sake of you, who left a garden, I was betrayed to the Jews in a garden, and I was crucified in a garden.

See on my face the spittle I received in order to restore to you the life I once breathed into you. See there the marks of the blows I received in order to refashion your warped nature in my image. On my back see the marks of the scourging I endured to remove the burden of sin that weighs upon your back. See my hands, nailed firmly to a tree, for you who once wickedly stretched out your hand to a tree.

I slept on the cross and a sword pierced my side for you who slept in paradise and brought forth Eve from your side. My side has healed the pain in yours. My sleep will rouse you from your sleep in hell. The sword that pierced me has sheathed the sword that was turned against you.

Rise, let us leave this place. The enemy led you out of the earthly paradise. I will not restore you to that paradise, but I will enthrone you in heaven. I forbade you the tree that was only a symbol of life, but see, I who am life itself am now one with you. I appointed cherubim to guard you as slaves are guarded, but now I make them worship you as God. The throne formed by cherubim awaits you, its bearers swift and eager. The bridal chamber is adorned, the banquet is ready, the eternal dwelling places are prepared, the treasure houses of all good things lie open. The kingdom of heaven has been prepared for you from all eternity.

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Hesychios said:
All bishops are Peter
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Lots of writings/qoutes from Fathers/saints say Rome is the “Chair of Peter” though…

others also say 'no errors can come from Rome"

and that Peter and his sucessors are the rock of the church which the gates of hell wont overcome

…i guess now you will talk against ‘quotes’ and say they are useless or not worth reading…

lets call them the writings of the saints then…

you guys say they are not infallible,but is what all you EO guys say infallible also?

when u say Rome is not orthodox or in error ,is that infallible? should we take more notice when the saints say Rome is the rock and cannot err in faith,or should we believe you guys?

thanks
 
Paul_theApostle said:
Lots of writings/qoutes from Fathers/saints say Rome is the “Chair of Peter” though…

others also say 'no errors can come from Rome"

and that Peter and his sucessors are the rock of the church which the gates of hell wont overcome

…i guess now you will talk against ‘quotes’ and say they are useless or not worth reading…

lets call them the writings of the saints then…

you guys say they are not infallible,but is what all you EO guys say infallible also?

when u say Rome is not orthodox or in error ,is that infallible? should we take more notice when the saints say Rome is the rock and cannot err in faith,or should we believe you guys?

thanks
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Who says “no errors can come from Rome” and in what context?

Rome has obviously been wrong on certain issues seeing as it has, at times, reversed its position (unless, of course, we are to speculate that she is not bound by the principle of non-contradiction). What about Rome’s condemnation of the Filioque and later acceptance? What of Rome’s condemnation of St. Photius and later recognition? Her condemnation of the Quintisext Council and later acceptance?

But even St. Augustine writes about the possibility of Roman error (and the appropriate measures to take). What of St. Maximos the Confessor who threatened to break communion with Rome when he was (falsely) informed that the bishop of Rome was prepared to enter into communion with the heretical patriarch of Constantinople?
 
Paul_theApostle said:
Sacrifice half and hour of your time and maybe read through these quotes

tell me what u think

docs.google.com/document/d/1ZGMRsKMkHduo7fHBCPOq7QT9aVel5GWSnPAbT3fa_HM/edit?pli=1
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I am familiar with “the list” that many Latin apologists like to throw out (though I wonder how many have actually read the sources, rather than just quotes). I think it would be wise, however, to first determine the dates and languages of the manuscripts many of these quotes are found on. While many of the quotes presented are accurate (and have been misinterpreted by Rome’s apologists), a good number are forgeries at best. Take the famous ultramontanist writings attributed to St. Maximos the Confessor. Of every writing attributed to his personage, both Greek and Latin versions are known to exist. The ultramontanist ones, however, are an exception, because the oldest copy is a 12th century Latin (Frankish) text (without a comparable Greek one). This, as well as the debacle of the False Decretals, should make one seriously investigate the authenticity of several of these quotations.

Now, on to the matter at hand. Which particular writing (in the link you posted) attributes an unerring character to the Roman See?
 
Paul_theApostle said:
Sacrifice half and hour of your time and maybe read through these quotes

tell me what u think

docs.google.com/document/d/1ZGMRsKMkHduo7fHBCPOq7QT9aVel5GWSnPAbT3fa_HM/edit?pli=1
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Paul,

Many of these quotes only speak of a primacy of Peter. Some, as Mark of Ephesus has noted, are questionable translations. Only a very few of these quotations really bear upon the issues of papal infallibility and papal universal jurisdiction.

For treatment of these, I recommend you sacrifice a little of your time to read Fr. Cleenewerck’s comments I linked above.
 
Cant find the quote ,thought it was in there ,must be somewhere else,but i have read it

those quotes mention Rome being the Chair of Peter many times
and as Christ said to Peter that he is the rock and that the gates of hell wont overcome the church

we read that Rome is the rock that hell wont overcome

EO believe hell/heresy has overcome Rome,but these quotes and saints believe hell/heresy will not overcome the Rock which is Rome founded on St Peter

anyway id rather be at peace with everyone here then argue or be uncharitable
if im wrong then tell me
im just going from what i understand
Thanks for your replies

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